Chase of motorcyclist ends with Verona arrest

[Ralph]

It's nice to see that at least everyone can communicate their feelings around and come to an understanding on both sides.

Good luck to both of you with Bike Night!

[wilum47]

WCUP,

Pardon my, stupid law with probable constitutional violation of freedom of speech attitude, but what the hell is wrong with a "Mohawk type decoration on his helmet".

I'll wait for an answer before I respond further.

[frankthetank]

i deleted thread that had some bad and good comments. and i posted a new thread about rules of bike night. just so the members that want to go can still enjoy it without getting in trouble. so far so good. some guys will be going now that didn't before. so we at 315riders, are trying to work with police and residents. but there is always bad apples. i cant control people, just tell them what they should do to have a good safe time.

[wcup102]

Frank, I just got home from bike night and it was very uneventful. I saw alot of compliance and slow sensible riding which I took as a sign of respect for both of us. I did allow some eye protection violations go, mainly because I am not out to break anyones balls and I just wanted to watch and see what good came from our efforts. i think your message got out frank, thank you.

[Clipper]

Frank the Tank, I have known Wcup for many years, and I can promise you that he is not a cocky arrogant cop figure. He is a very compassionate and fair deputy. He was assigned to patrol an area where I lived, and near his home a few years back. He was always greeted with respect whenever he came into a local business. He even commanded respect from those that he had arrested, because most knew that if Wcup arrested you, you were definitely out of line, or endangering yourself or others.

Wcup came up the hard way. He became a deputy in the days when the only way to the road patrol was to spend your appointed time taking your licks in the jail. C.O. in the county jail used to be a low paying, and ungratifying job, but the only way to the road patrol was to do your stint as a C.O. and attend the academy at MV.

I am glad you have joined us here at "the corner" to help smooth the way to community cooperation on Bike night, and to act as an ambassador for your club. I am happy to hear that your club is respectable to a point of disciplining itself from within.

I have a lot of respect for your role in smoothing the image, and in speaking to the issue in the name of the club.

The answer is simple. Wcup is charged with enforcing the law, and if one obeys the law, there will be no reason for him to discuss any issues with an individual. If stopped, respect will go a long ways toward an outcome satisfactory to both parties.

Cudos to both Wcup and Frankthetank.

[frankcor]

It's clear that one word can solve a lot of problems: RESPECT

Welcome to here, frankthetank! I like your website. You provide a fine service for the riders in the area.

Someday, the bag of raging hormones that got arrested by Warcup last week will come to understand that Warcup is a stand-up guy who really does care about the people whom he protects and serves. And maybe his girlfriend will learn it's not smart to ride behind someone who pops wheelies with a passenger on board.

Warcup, something you wrote in your first post above raises a question: "I wrote him for ... a mohawk type decoration on his helmet "

The law doesn't allow mohawk signs on helmets?

(LOL, I see willum beat me to the punch. We should all have "stupid law with probable constitutional violation of freedom of speech" attitudes.)

[golden]

Yes Frank the word is RESPECT!!
I have a son that will be 23 and he is a rider! Last year he was being one of those riders, he had just gotten his new bike an was "playin" with it well that playin got him 17 tickets in one stop and fines he had to pay up the wazoo! Mind you he bought a new car in 05, anew bike in 06 and then a house in 07 and a faster bike in 07 (the one that got him in trouble). So all those fines got him in a financial hardship, and no I did not bail him out. Last night he was up visiting and told me about his most recent stop by the state troopers he was with 2 other friends riding an they were speeding, the trooper went to go pull them over, his so called friends took off he stopped for the cop and was very respectful (how I raised him). The cop was a lil cocky at first an told him he could stop him from riding the bike again (because of his prior tickets). Anyhow because my son stopped and was cooperative he gave him a ticket for an uninspected motorcycle.

My kudos go out to all you cops, state troopers and all who protect our streets!!

I have another story about my sons Mom and speeding too!! But I'll save that for another day!
Goodnight All!

[wcup102]

To be honest about the "mohawk" issue, it is not specifically mentioned as such in the vehicle and traffic law. What it has to do with is actually the federal motor vehicle safety standards as adopted by the commissioner of motor vehicles. In there, the section is 571.218 and stated that any helmet accepted and approved(I'm para-phrasing now) shall not have protrusions more than 5 mm on the outer shell unless it is specifically used for mounting accessories such as visors, shields, etc.... So anything like the German spike or horns or anything like that is actually illegal. It is probable cause to stop the bike, and it is a ticket that is seldomly written by me anyway, and just another creative tool we have at our disposal. I came across a section which of VTL that was for no mirror on a motorcycle. For the life of me, I have never seen a bike without at least one. And thank you all for the kind words, it is appreciated.

[frankcor]

Oh, so I guess my Texas Longhorns are completely out of order

[Ralph]

I'm pretty sure I saw this same bunch of riders on the same night. They were zipping by my DD when I was leaving for the night.

This isn't some little protuberance off the top of the helmet, but a good 8-10' spiked red brush that sits on top from the front to the back.
Good thing the girl riding behind him on the bike had face protection..........if he ever stopped quick she would lose an eye!

[frankcor]

Ahhhh, that's not a Mohawk helmet. That's a Spartan helmet!

"Go tell the Spartans, we did what they asked us to do."

[rocketkid]

I just figured Id hop in this thread to introduce myself. I'm Rocketkid from 315riders.com I'm a 315Rider and an administrator for the site. I just wanted to say I'm glad this was all worked out and the drama is finally over. It was nice to see officer Worcups side of the story so that it didn't appear so one sided. Every argument, debate, and personal conflict, has 2 sides. When the kid was arrested at bike night (not the chase the one with the girl on the back) we heard his side of the story in the thread and didn't hear the entire thing. Once we heard the other side of the story I really don't think many people still sided with the kid. The truth is he was in the wrong. Hes my friend and riding buddy but Ill still be the first one to tell you he was in the wrong.
Ive dealt with allot of cops, especially since I got my first rocket and when I get pulled over I try to be as respectful as possible to the cop, (yes sir, no sir ect...) and 99% of the time it goes a really long way. Biggest mistake you can make is having an attitude with a cop when he pulls you over. No matter what you will not win. I honestly cant see why someone would have a cocky attitude in this kind of situation. I suppose once they get enough tickets and realize just how far the attitude does not get them they will eventually learn to be alittle more polite, and bite there tongue.
I also think when officer Worcup backed off and called in for backup when the chase got dangerous, and continued at a safe speed that earned the respect from allot of local riders. The kid that ran is a dumb a$$ and its really nice to see when the cop doesn't get so caught up in making an arrest that they sacrifice the safety of everyone on the road. Huge props to you for that.

[frankcor]

rocketkid, welcome to the Busy Corner!

[Clipper]

Good post Rocketkid, and welcome to "Clipper's Busy Corner." I am glad that you guys found us, and the site was able to be a vehicle for understanding and respect for each other.

I owned a lot of bikes over the years, from a Honda CB450 and a Kawi KZ900, to a sportster and finally a Gold Wing.

I have never understood how anyone could ride on of the modern day rockets with the posture you have to sit in. My back would kill me, haha.

Unfortunately I broke my back in 1997, and will never be able to ride a motorcycle again. I envy folks when I see them riding on a nice sunny day. I live in Bristol Tn now, and they ride year around down here.

Thanks for joining us, and keep up the good public relations work. People my age learn to better understand one's viewpoint when it is posted and discussed in a mature and informative manner. The type of bikes you guys ride are an entirely different ballgame than the normal touring bike, or chopper. Is it actually comfortable lying out with your feet behind you like that?

[rocketkid]

Aug 16, 2008 17:25:56 GMT -5 Clipper said:

Good post Rocketkid, and welcome to "Clipper's Busy Corner." I am glad that you guys found us, and the site was able to be a vehicle for understanding and respect for each other.

I owned a lot of bikes over the years, from a Honda CB450 and a Kawi KZ900, to a sportster and finally a Gold Wing.

I have never understood how anyone could ride on of the modern day rockets with the posture you have to sit in. My back would kill me, haha.

Unfortunately I broke my back in 1997, and will never be able to ride a motorcycle again. I envy folks when I see them riding on a nice sunny day. I live in Bristol Tn now, and they ride year around down here.

Thanks for joining us, and keep up the good public relations work. People my age learn to better understand one's viewpoint when it is posted and discussed in a mature and informative manner. The type of bikes you guys ride are an entirely different ballgame than the normal touring bike, or chopper. Is it actually comfortable lying out with your feet behind you like that?

I actually have 3 bikes. I own 2 rockets and I also have a cruiser. I started off on my R1 last year, I got to many tickets and decided to try and take the dumb things I do into a parking lot and off of the streets. So I got a cbr600 for a stunt bike and thats my parking lot stunter. Well I dont ride my R1 anymore because I get in way way to much trouble on it and I seem to lack some self control on the sport bikes so I got myself a nice cruiser (suzuki intruder 700), and now I can enjoy being on 2 wheels and not worry about tickets and keep a low profile and stay out of trouble. I honestly like the feel of both the cruiser and rockets. The only thing that bothers me on the rockets are the seats for long distance riding. Most of them are very uncomfortable. The body position isn't as bad as alot of people think it is. For highway riding at like 65mph when the wind picks up alot I almost prefer my rocket because your not catching all the wind like with the upright body position of a cruiser so it doesn't put strain on my back.
For me its kind of like a cadillac and a corvette. IF your driving it every single day or for long distances the cadillac would probably be a better car for that, but for the weekend riding, or something fun to tool around town in thats fun and quick, with great handling in the corners the corvette would be alot more fun for that. Thats how Id compair cruisers and rockets. They both shine in different areas.