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Post by dgriffin on Jul 17, 2008 18:28:31 GMT -5
Gore Calls for Carbon-Free Electric Power within ten years New York Times www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/washington/18gorecnd.html?hp"WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Al Gore said on Thursday that Americans must abandon electricity generated by fossil fuels within a decade and rely on the sun, the winds and other environmentally friendly sources of power, or risk losing their national security as well as their creature comforts." "... Mr. Gore insisted in his speech that the goal of carbon-free power is not only achievable but practical, and that businesses would embrace it once they saw that it made fundamental economic sense. Mr. Gore said the most important policy change in the transformation would be taxes on carbon dioxide production, with an accompanying reduction in payroll taxes. “We should tax what we burn, not what we earn,” he said." ### The man is crazy for thinking we'll do it, but correct is seeing it as a security issue. |
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Post by corner on Jul 17, 2008 19:25:34 GMT -5
i say more reactors are the answer the waste can be dealt with a weather stable area such as the nevada desert with high security for a one and only dump sight to keep terroist ambitons incheck. gore thoughright about security issues is otherwise a certifiable moron...remember his claims of inventing the internet.
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 17, 2008 22:02:51 GMT -5
Mr. Gore said the most important policy change in the transformation would be taxes on carbon dioxide production, with an accompanying reduction in payroll taxes. “We should tax what we burn, not what we earn,” he said." Did you notice the taxes? These would be new taxes. Somehow, I suspect we'll be paying both payroll taxes as well as extra taxes for the energy we burn ... home heating oil, gasoline ... during a "period of transition" that will last forever. But only if you're "rich" and earn more than $9,000 a year. |
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 22, 2008 3:35:45 GMT -5
From Rocky Mountain Times www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/22/carroll-gores-nutty-idea/"Gore would subject 300 million people to an experiment in which baseload power that is needed 24 hours a day to keep the economy - and our livelihoods - humming is replaced willy nilly by power sources still susceptible to natural disruption (such as lack of wind or lingering cloud cover), that cost more (at least in the case of solar) and are far less plentiful in some regions than others .. " "The idea reflects a shocking indifference to the possible fragility of an economy subjected to a force-fed "transformative" (Gore's word) experience. History rarely is kind to such ambitions, with the most catastrophic example occurring 50 years ago in China. That's when Mao Zedong launched his Great Leap Forward - the hare-brained effort to transform that nation into an industrial power within a few years by, among other things, dotting the landscape with backyard furnaces to make steel." |
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jul 22, 2008 6:00:21 GMT -5
Creating the largest enviornmental disaster ever seen outside of eastern Europe.
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Post by frankcor on Jul 25, 2008 10:21:21 GMT -5
Even the French, for goodness sakes, have figured out how to use nuclear power.
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Post by corner on Jul 25, 2008 10:46:01 GMT -5
Even the French, for goodness sakes, have figured out how to use nuclear power. and they are as dumb as rocks (my apologies in advance for insulting rocks) |
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Post by corner on Jul 25, 2008 10:48:11 GMT -5
frank 2356 posts are you trying to be supreme queen of the universe? wow! my fingers hurt from the thought.
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Post by frankcor on Jul 25, 2008 13:37:21 GMT -5
Trying? I am!
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Post by corner on Jul 25, 2008 15:12:53 GMT -5
then to that end i exalt you!
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 25, 2008 15:42:11 GMT -5
T. Boone P. has an ad in this weeks National Review. He says, "I have a plan that uses American technology and alternative engergy (overlaid on a photo of a windmill) to reduce our dependency on foreign oil by more than one third - and it can be done in 10 years." "This is our crisis, and we can solve it." "To see my plan, come to my website at PickensPlan.com" www.pickensplan.com/theplan/It's about wind and natural gas, including natural gas fueled cars. |
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Post by dan on Jul 26, 2008 8:22:40 GMT -5
I still don't agree that we can just walk away from petroleum products overnight. We still need plastics, lubricants, medical supplies, rubber and a transition period until the "new fuel" technologies are on the market. We should still plan on sinking new wells and refining for the next 20 years.
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Post by wilum47 on Jul 26, 2008 8:45:59 GMT -5
I still don't agree that we can just walk away from petroleum products overnight. We still need plastics, lubricants, medical supplies, rubber and a transition period until the "new fuel" technologies are on the market. We should still plan on sinking new wells and refining for the next 20 years. Your right on target Dan and the politicians think we are unaware on how much we depend on petroleum. Just try using wind mill power for Vaseline! |
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 26, 2008 10:12:12 GMT -5
My uninformed opinion is that we have plenty of oil reserves in the US if we can reduce our overall need by other power sources. And I think Nuclear is inevitable.
And I don't have a problem with conservation. I see no need (for myself) for the kind of truck I drive that get's only 17 mph. I don't need the power, I just wanted the height. I so no reason for the following:
lights left on all night at places of business, when less would do, continued murder of the railroads for goods and people transportation, community planning for less commuting. For all of those, I admire the Europeans. For their foreign policy, if you can call it that, no.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jul 26, 2008 21:44:21 GMT -5
Ah but I may as well try and catch the wind.
Saw a presentation on the Science Channel today featuring an elegant wind generator from Aerotecture. It looks like a much improved update of the one shown on page 185 of Mother Earth's Handbook of Homemade Power. Their website claims to have an upstate New York dealer but no mention of where.
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