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[Will]

Fiona, Bobbiez and any other dealing with the insane amount of crime in Utica. Let me say:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." - 2nd Amendment to the US constitution.

I live in East Utica. 6 years ago it was not so bad on my street. We had a mixture of Bosnian and Italian people living here. Now it seems everyone has been moving for greener pastures and a more sinister population has been moving in. Last year I visited the corner store at Bleecker St. and Milgate St. and when I returned to my truck I was approached by a hispanic man who asked me for a dollar. I told him to get a job. He then tried to place his hands in the pocket of my sweatshirt at which time I defended myself by slamming his head into the fender of my truck placing a large dent in it. I called the police on the man who was still passed out when they arrived and he was taken to jail. Funny thing was that when I tried to put in a claim to my insurance company for the damage they denied my claim saying I caused the damage myself. This is the world we live in and it needs to change. My advice, arm yourself because sooner or later they won't be arguing outside your kitchen window, they will be outside your kitchen window conspiring on how to get in to your kitchen window. Me personally, I'll be waiting at the kitchen table with my 45.

[bobbbiez]

That's exactly why I had an excellent alarm system put in my home.

The "arming yourself" is good advice for some but not so for others. My Daddy always taught me, "if you pull out a weapon on someone, ya better make sure you'll be able to use it." I'm positive I can but not so sure many others could do it. Not as easy as it sounds.

[concerned]

Some in New York Mills are already up in arms because of certain groups that are moving into there village.

Why do the good, honest,upright decent people in Utica have to ( I mean be forced to ) have these people aroumg us. This make me so mad because the problems that I suffer today and most likely the rest of my life is because of these de-generate's who have a complete disdain for authority and for those in office who are to afraid to do anything about it. If anyone what to know what happenned email me

[dgriffin]

Apr 26, 2009 16:48:57 GMT -5 bobbbiez said:

Utica officials are addressing the problems. That is why we just had 14 new officers put on the force and more now in the Police Academy getting ready to be appointed. I am confident the undesirables will be forced out of the city. The question the suburban areas have to worry about is, where will the undesirables relocate?

I think many suburbanites are under the impression that the scumbags are contained in the cities, and will stay there for the foreseeable future. They may be wrong, but they don't expect DSS checks to spend very well in the outlying towns and communities. Drugs are usually more expensive out there, too. Also, homeowners with guns are more prevalent in the suburbs in many areas.

I live in a semi-rural area that has been somewhat attractive to scum because of cheap rents in residences that at one time were camps in the mountains. Also, you can grow your own MJ right outside the back door, or you could until the SP began their scoping from helicopters. I'm told.

We do have gang presence, though not normally visible to the naked eye. Birth control by the Middle class has helped to reduce the number of disenchanted and disenfranchised children who are candidates for the gangs. Recruitment is much better in the cities where giving birth seems to be growth industry.

I have no doubt the hordes will be coming our way, some day. Sheer numbers will win out. But to be honest, as much as there are people like yourself, Bobbbiez, who care about the cities, and policemen who care about their jobs, your politicians will never rise to the challenge and do what's necessary. To a certain extent, they are hamstrung by the state and economics.
But to a certain degree most are cowards. They are one of the reasons why it's safer out here at the moment.

[Ralph]

Couldn't have said that better myself Dave.

[bobbbiez]

Sorry, but you two have me confused in why and where you're pointing the finger. Maybe you can explain it better.

All I know is when we asked for more police presence in our neighborhoods, we got them, and more will be put on soon. I also know many new officers have now been placed in the drug department and the tact squads. I appreciate seeing a patrol car driving up my street on a regular basis every single day, knowing the degenerates are not appreciating it. That alone has curbed much of the illegal activities in the hot spots in the city.

I understand it will take time, but I have hope and only because of what I've witnessed just over the last five months in the improvements in my neighborhood. I see city departments working very well with private citizens who are bringing the problems to their attention. That was a hugh problem in the past but now both are working well together. That is a big plus.

Just this morning the dog warden spent over an hour at my home with me and my neighbors writing up tickets to present to some violators who have allowed their dogs to roam free and bark continuously in our neighborhoods. That may sound like a small problem to you but to those that have to listen to it on a daily basis it is another hugh annoying problem just adding to many others. Slowly but surely, all the problems are being addressed.

I have personally talked to people living in N.Hartford, New York Mills, Yorkville, and Whitesboro. All have seen the scum moving into their areas and are now beginning to deal with the same problems we in the city faced for years. The only difference I see between the city and the townships is here in the city we already have the private citizens banding together fighting the scum and we have the numbers in the police department now to keep forcing the scum out, one way or another.

[dgriffin]

There is nothing to point a finger at. I don't doubt anything you said, Bobbbiez. Our conclusions are different.

[bobbbiez]

Went back and read your previous post and saw where you mentioned some of the same problems the city has been facing now filtering into your area, so I don't see where our conclusions should be different. Am I missing something?

[dgriffin]

Yes, you're missing my conclusions. We don't have to have the same conclusions from the available data, Bobbbiez!!!!!

Now I know why they separated us at birth!

OK, I don't think the migration you speak of is taking place RAPIDLY in the suburban areas I've seen. Also, I don't think the hordes of so-called scum will be landing in all parts of suburbia for a while. Yes, no doubt you're seeing migration in parts of New York Mills and Yorkville, probably because of the availablility of low-rent housing there.

Affordable housing is a major factor and it does not exist in ALL PARTS of suburbia. But there are other aspects of the city that will keep them there, including location of social services, transportation and the camouflage of an urban environment.

[frankcor]

We need to find two we were separated at birth shirts before August.

[bobbbiez]

Dave, only time will tell.

Hey, they separated us because they were scared. ;D

[jrcummings]

I can't believe you all don't see what's going on. It's simply buy cheap land. Build nice new houses and sell them to the new middle class people. Where is the cheap land? You guessed it Cornhill. With all the displaced Cornhill residents, where are they going? South of James St., East of Mohawk St., North of South St. and West of Genesee St. Most of you come here and complain, but how many of you have actually contacted your elected representatives? What's happening in Utica is happening in most US cities. A few years ago I drove where Chicagos Cabrini Green used to be, now in that area is Condo's going for 500,000. That's what's going on in Utica.

There is a bit of corruption going on, I garuntee if you check to see who has the builder contracts for those new homes in Cornhill, is some way connected to certain city government officials. The sad thing is you all continue to let it happen.

[dgriffin]

There is that much new construction of middle class housing in Cornhill?
Didn't know that. It makes sense, if the land is cheap and the homes can be sold to so-called "young professionals." JR, there is nothing unusual about money moving in and displacing poverty. Or the government moving in and doing the same, as NY State did when the Egg, Convention Center and Empire Plaza were built right over a fine old, but poor, neighborhood in downtown Albany.

When farm land was cheap in the (early)last century, money from new surburbanites moved into rural poverty and bought the land for housing. Call it business, capitalism, whatever. Some called it progress.

Actually, I thought low income people were moving from Cornhill to West Utica because all the homes were burned down in Cornhill.

JR, are you back in Utica this week? Like to meet you at the picnic tomorrow at Delta Lake!

[corner]

Aug 1, 2009 15:48:05 GMT -5 @dgriffin said:

There is that much new construction of middle class housing in Cornhill?
Didn't know that. It makes sense, if the land is cheap and the homes can be sold to so-called "young professionals." JR, there is nothing unusual about money moving in and displacing poverty. Or the government moving in and doing the same, as NY State did when the Egg, Convention Center and Empire Plaza were built right over a fine old, but poor, neighborhood in downtown Albany.

When farm land was cheap in the (early)last century, money from new surburbanites moved into rural poverty and bought the land for housing. Call it business, capitalism, whatever. Some called it progress.

Actually, I thought low income people were moving from Cornhill to West Utica because all the homes were burned down in Cornhill.

JR, are you back in Utica this week? Like to meet you at the picnic tomorrow at Delta Lake!

its not middle classhousing its municipal housing authority run 2 families being built in different spots usually for rent then the usual innercity denisens move in along with 20 of their relatives and end up destroying the places.

[dgriffin]

Wondered about that.