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Post by Clipper on Aug 6, 2012 15:28:47 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/latestnews/x1225369405/Advocates-want-free-NY-prison-visitor-bus-backReally? 1.5 million bucks a year to transport inmate's families from NYC to the upstate prisons for visitation? I transported a bus load of those folks back to NYC once when I drove for Birnie Bus Co part time. Their bus had broken down while in Rome. They were the rudest, most demanding, ignorant people I ever had on a bus in the 20+ yrs I drove a bus for a part time job. Typical of the "entitled class." It is like we OWED it to them to insure that they could take a nice bus ride upstate and out of the city, and we OWED it to them to insure that they got to visit their inmate loved ones. It is too bad that their loved ones are criminals. It is too bad that they are without a mother, or father, or husband or wife, while the scumbags do their time in prison. NOT MY PROBLEM, AND NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR THEIR VISITS. I am glad they don't have such a program in Tennessee. It's bad enough that we have to support the families because the breadwinner is in prison without paying for them to have visitors once a month also. Our convicts here are treated like convicts, not coddled. Red Onion State Prison is noted for being a hell hole where no inmate wants to serve their sentence. Maybe Daddy should have kept his nose clean and not perpetrated a crime against some other innocent party. Daddy would not BE in prison if he obeyed the law, and I might add that one doesn't go to prison for a traffic ticket. Convicts have committed a crime bad enough to warrant their being taken out of society for a extended period of time. They aren't jay walkers. A few years without family is simply collateral results of their criminal behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 17:07:55 GMT -5
If the family members have to pay for the trip then I say yes. But no free rides. It is bad enough the inmates all get a free ride. I have seen where some communities use the inmates for various jobs that need to be done. Many years ago I remember that my Church had inmates doing the painting. They did an excellent job and got to pray for an early release to boot.
I would think there are many jobs that these people can do all while learning some very good skills that can be of great help to them when they do get out. One thing I remember during the nine years that I taught part time in the College for Prisons program is that these guys are very smart. At least they proved that to me.
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Post by Clipper on Aug 6, 2012 19:22:15 GMT -5
In the past the buses were funded by the state and were free to the families. Just an expense that the taxpayers can't afford to fund any more. Maybe they should pay a nominal fee toward chartering the buses and go less often.
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Post by tonyj on Aug 7, 2012 23:49:08 GMT -5
Alanquigly , I agree many of the inmates are very smart. I worked 4 summer sessions at Mohawk and Oneida prisons as a masonry teacher, and found many of the inmates quick thinking, manipulative and pure evil. I also watched the prison buses come in on Saturdays with all the downstate "less-fortunate and DEMANDING" brothers and sisters. I'm so happy I don't need that gig anymore.
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Post by chris on Aug 8, 2012 8:19:59 GMT -5
I heard that the inmates were charged a surcharge when placing phone calls and this money was used to finance the bus trips of families. Prison advocates said that they thought that was not right so fought to have this dismissed hence no money for bus trip. Seems like they are creating their own issues. Kind of backfired.
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Post by corner on Aug 8, 2012 10:59:03 GMT -5
god forbid they dont get their 35 pounds a month
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Post by Clipper on Aug 8, 2012 13:05:49 GMT -5
In some cases the bus trips were only a precursor to a U-haul moving the families to the area to climb onto the Oneida County rolls and the backs of the local taxpayers.
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Post by Ralph on Aug 9, 2012 2:02:06 GMT -5
Inmates charged for phone calls??? My stepson is in Auburn, WE pay when he calls.
Though I would gladly pay to keep his ass in there..........
..........forever.
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Post by Clipper on Aug 9, 2012 7:36:28 GMT -5
I know that there is a company that handles accounts for telephone calls for inmates. A friend's son was in jail, and she had use a credit card to put a prepaid minimum of $50 using at a time on an account for him to use the phone.
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Post by Ralph on Aug 9, 2012 12:20:55 GMT -5
He has to call us collect. It's not a big cost, only a couple bucks at most. I wouldn't put money on his phone account to call the funeral company to come get his dead ass.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 16:31:56 GMT -5
Question: Can a person who is jailed for a crime and then found not guilty have the right to a lawsuit whereby they can get back the money they lost each day from work due to being jailed. I overheard someone telling another person they can do this, while I was traveling by Bus.
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Post by bobbbiez on Aug 16, 2012 12:58:01 GMT -5
I heard that the inmates were charged a surcharge when placing phone calls and this money was used to finance the bus trips of families. Prison advocates said that they thought that was not right so fought to have this dismissed hence no money for bus trip. Seems like they are creating their own issues. Kind of backfired. Chris, you are correct. There were many other services in the prison facilities that also was use to go to pay for the bus trips for inmate families. One being some of the profit from the food vending machines in the visiting rooms that the families visiting supported. Years back I had a family member I visited quite often in prison and who I allowed to call me, he had to call collect and I had to accept the charges or the call could not go through. The calls were time- limited by the prison and thank God for that. Those calls were extremely expensive and one could add up a very expensive telephone bill for the month. Because it was a collect call with many surcharges the expense was outrageous even if the prisoner (as in our case) was in a local prison here and by all other rights it should have been just a local call.
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Post by Clipper on Aug 16, 2012 14:06:20 GMT -5
I DO suppose that there is a positive to all of this. If there are buses from the downstate area to bring families to visit, the families STAY downstate and don't MOVE TO UTICA and go on Oneida County welfare.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 15:38:20 GMT -5
I just found out that inmates who are released I guess from prison first have a 800 Park Ave address and live at one of the Hotels in North Utica. There was a rather manly woman on the bus a today raving on the phone about needing to find an apartment and waiting for her welfare. I see why there are no phone booths today. People use cell phones and don't care about privacy when talking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 15:40:44 GMT -5
god forbid they dont get their 35 pounds a month 35 pounds of what?
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