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Post by firstamendment on Jul 19, 2011 5:56:47 GMT -5
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Post by corner on Jul 19, 2011 6:40:53 GMT -5
sounds like a major wackadoodle!
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Post by JGRobinson on Jul 19, 2011 7:38:12 GMT -5
Its time we rise above prosecuting crimes based on their racial characteristics. Its not any more or less heinous to kill someone because their Black or Gay than it is because they wont give up their wallet or body in a robbery attempt. All are wrong, all should be prosecuted vigorously.
America is not a cauldron of Racists, a hotbed of haters or Secular Slaughterers. We are a melting pot of Mongrels and every generation has less and less pride and commonality with their former Fatherland and more genetic/ethnic diversity. It hasnt been primarily anything for most of my life, the Black an White answer is that there is no Black or White answer.
The DixieCrats were one of the last vestiges of the old America and most of them have died. Group think hate crimes are almost nonexistent in this country, thats why anything resembling that hits the front pages like a ton of bricks. I'm not saying that racism, anti Religiosity and blatant discrimination doesnt happen. It does, its just not the reality of most Americans to either be the provocateur or the recipient of group think retaliation based on Ethnicity.
Most of us really don't see the person in front of us as a color, race or religion unless they literally paint themselves as that. As an American, I am more than the sum of my Gender specific ethno-genetic codes. As a matter of fact, I really dont know who my forefathers or Mothers were and I really don't care. Hell, our family found out a few years ago we have Jewish blood in our lineup of Dutch, German, Scottish and Irish breeders.
It really didnt change a thing, Im building a windmill, love Bratwurst, tried to learn the bagpipes and occasionally drink too much but I don't consider any one of those cultural influences. I'm a Hotblooded American Mongrel and proud of it! My new found Jewish bloodline doesnt seem to stop me from loving cooked Pig or celebrating the Birth of Jesus. I have never been able to Identify common characteristics in anyone Jewish that I would dislike as a whole!
If any race/ religion/ culture as a whole has truly been picked on through history, its the Jews. I have literally heard every single class, race and gender in this Country chastise, discriminate, demonize and berate Jewish descendant. I dont get it, why? American Indians, American Africans, American Mongrels, American Hindu's and American Middle Easterners as a whole all seem to have a significant statistical portion of Jew Haters in their midst's and its acceptable somehow!
People grow to see things the way our Government wants them to see them. Washington and Albany both blatantly discriminate against and for Race, Gender, Religious and Sexual Preferences and specific Personal Choices and Characteristics. If they are parsing humans like culling out bad fruit, why wouldn't some citizens feel compelled to do the same? We do, because they do!
Their are no special right outlined by our formulating documents. Our Constitution protects the Equal Rights of all Americans without respect to Genetics as long as they are Human. No Government law should define us as anything but human or treat us differently based on any other characteristics period. No person is above or below the law no matter what box they check in the Identity box of Government or other forms. Almost every Human, Civil, Racial, Gender, Sexuality or Religious injustice ever served on Humanity has been caused by Special Treatment under the Law of Man or Woman. Cleanse the laws and rules of these divisive terms and the problems associated with them will exit stage left! Keep making special classes and we will continue to hate because we are not treated the same!
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Post by Clipper on Jul 19, 2011 11:33:11 GMT -5
www.wktv.com/news/local/Pacherille-Sr-arraigned-Parents-say-other-children-also-harassed-125785323.htmlStory Updated: Jul 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM EDT MIDDLEFIELD, N.Y. (WKTV) - Anthony Pacherille Sr. was arraigned on misdemeanor stalking and harassment charges in the Middlefield Town Court in Otsego County on Monday night. The alleged victim is the teenage boy his son was convicted of shooting in Cooperstown last year. Pacherille Sr. is accused of stalking Wesley Lippitt beginning in June of 2010. Pacherille Sr. was arrested July 15 and at that time was issued a restraining order to stay away from Lippitt. Also in attendance Monday night at the arraignment were parents of other Cooperstown students. They say that other teenagers are also being harassed and stalked by Pacherille Sr. Tim Moakler says his son has been targeted both online and in person. Moakler says Pacherille Sr. started a website called "Coop Hall of Shame" and was using it to attack Lippitt and his friends. "He called our kids derelicts, drug addicts," said Moakler. "Wesley is an eagle scout. And he (Pacherille Sr.) named the ones who were sitting in the courtroom in support of Wesley." Moakler says the website was taken down because of copyright infringement as it used the logo of the Cooperstown Baseball Hall of Fame, but the Facebook page is still active. Moakler says the harassment isn't just online. He says an incident took place this month with one of the students who is friends with Lippitt. "He tries to intimidate them," says Moakler, "One of the children was at Stewart's two weeks ago. He (Pacherille Sr.) trapped them at the gas station and wouldn't let them out while his wife was yelling profanities at him." Moaker's wife, Beth, says there is a specific group of children that are targeted by Pacherille Sr. "It's anyone who is a classmate, a friend..a sports colleague of Wesley's, says Beth Moakler, "They haven't stopped being his friend. They've supported him and his family. The Pacherille's just won't let them heal." Beth Moakler says her son and others have filed complaints against Pacherille Sr. If convicted on the stalking and harassment charges Pacherille Sr. faces up to three months in jail. Anthony Pacherille Jr. was convicted of shooting Lippit and will be sentenced this Friday.
No word on if the restraining order the judge issued will affect Pacherille Sr.'s attendance at the sentencing this Friday.
Sounds like Daddy needs the jail time in order for the rest of the village to get a break from his bullying and ignorant harassment of innocent children. I am surprised that someone whose kid he has harassed hasn't simply punched his lights out. If he wants to go toe to toe with an adult, fine, but to harass kids is unacceptable. If it were my kid he harassed I would be tempted to stomp his ass into the dirt and take the legal consequences with a smile on my face.
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Post by firstamendment on Jul 19, 2011 12:35:02 GMT -5
The appearance that is starting to emerge about the father might give some indication as to what might have spurred on the son.
I would have liked to given him the benefit of doubt but it is all too coincidental that he happens to be at the same places as not only the victim but his friends also. Then his statements in court about the family wanting their pound of flesh. Yeah, this is beyond bitterness to go as far as blaming the victim for the punishment his son received. Then the propaganda campaign to ''Save Anthony''. Maybe, just maybe, younger Anthony is being saved by sending him to prison away from his father.
It seems the logical thing to do, if he really wanted to mend fences with the victim and his family, he could have approached them with hand out, apologizing for what happened. If they accepted it, so be it. If they rebuffed him, so be it. Walk away and leave them alone. Waving to them just indicates to me he wanted to make his presence known and with the litigation of the case pending, it was not a great idea even if it were innocently intended.
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Post by stoney on Jul 20, 2011 11:37:53 GMT -5
"The appearance that is starting to emerge about the father might give some indication as to what might have spurred on the son."
Exactly what I think too, F.A.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 14:45:40 GMT -5
Its time we rise above prosecuting crimes based on their racial characteristics. Its not any more or less heinous to kill someone because their Black or Gay than it is because they wont give up their wallet or body in a robbery attempt. All are wrong, all should be prosecuted vigorously. America is not a cauldron of Racists, a hotbed of haters or Secular Slaughterers. We are a melting pot of Mongrels and every generation has less and less pride and commonality with their former Fatherland and more genetic/ethnic diversity. It hasnt been primarily anything for most of my life, the Black an White answer is that there is no Black or White answer. The DixieCrats were one of the last vestiges of the old America and most of them have died. Group think hate crimes are almost nonexistent in this country, thats why anything resembling that hits the front pages like a ton of bricks. I'm not saying that racism, anti Religiosity and blatant discrimination doesnt happen. It does, its just not the reality of most Americans to either be the provocateur or the recipient of group think retaliation based on Ethnicity. Most of us really don't see the person in front of us as a color, race or religion unless they literally paint themselves as that. As an American, I am more than the sum of my Gender specific ethno-genetic codes. As a matter of fact, I really dont know who my forefathers or Mothers were and I really don't care. Hell, our family found out a few years ago we have Jewish blood in our lineup of Dutch, German, Scottish and Irish breeders. It really didnt change a thing, Im building a windmill, love Bratwurst, tried to learn the bagpipes and occasionally drink too much but I don't consider any one of those cultural influences. I'm a Hotblooded American Mongrel and proud of it! My new found Jewish bloodline doesnt seem to stop me from loving cooked Pig or celebrating the Birth of Jesus. I have never been able to Identify common characteristics in anyone Jewish that I would dislike as a whole! If any race/ religion/ culture as a whole has truly been picked on through history, its the Jews. I have literally heard every single class, race and gender in this Country chastise, discriminate, demonize and berate Jewish descendant. I dont get it, why? American Indians, American Africans, American Mongrels, American Hindu's and American Middle Easterners as a whole all seem to have a significant statistical portion of Jew Haters in their midst's and its acceptable somehow! People grow to see things the way our Government wants them to see them. Washington and Albany both blatantly discriminate against and for Race, Gender, Religious and Sexual Preferences and specific Personal Choices and Characteristics. If they are parsing humans like culling out bad fruit, why wouldn't some citizens feel compelled to do the same? We do, because they do! Their are no special right outlined by our formulating documents. Our Constitution protects the Equal Rights of all Americans without respect to Genetics as long as they are Human. No Government law should define us as anything but human or treat us differently based on any other characteristics period. No person is above or below the law no matter what box they check in the Identity box of Government or other forms. Almost every Human, Civil, Racial, Gender, Sexuality or Religious injustice ever served on Humanity has been caused by Special Treatment under the Law of Man or Woman. Cleanse the laws and rules of these divisive terms and the problems associated with them will exit stage left! Keep making special classes and we will continue to hate because we are not treated the same! I think the root cause and effect of all of what you say has to do with religion. Regardless of whether a group is protestant, catholic- (roman, russian, greek, serbian,marionite,etc.), jewish ( orthodox, ultra-orthodox, conservative or reformed) muslim, hindu, suffi, rostrfarian,buddhist,native spirit each group has reasons to discriminate on each other and have laws in place to decide how we are to act and how other have to act. Each one thinks they hold the common good. I think we need to reinvent the whole concept. Like why do I have to believe in the ten commandments or that golden rule. We judge others and they judge us. Life continue's, I guess
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Post by Clipper on Jul 20, 2011 14:55:07 GMT -5
I can't say as I agree that religion drives all of this. I am reminded though how I was rather disgusted when the Catholic parish there in Cooperstown made a plea from the pulpit to donate to the defense of the shooter. I simply thought at the time that it was not appropriate and made it look as though the church was taking a side in the case and condoning the actions of the little "catholic boy", but then again, other denominations would do the same thing for a member of the "church family."
It seemed to me that there was a biased and rather racist appearing campaign by many of the residents with the lawn signs supporting the shooter's defense and donating to the fund.
Was there ever a campaign to collect money for the black lad's family to help defray expenses or to pay for treatment for the boy? The handling of the case by the local citizens just seemed to me to smack slightly of 1960's Mississippi.
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Post by firstamendment on Jul 20, 2011 16:50:24 GMT -5
I also found it distasteful for a church to solicit donations for someone's criminal defense. Would they be so merciful if little Anthony had actually killed someone?
Yeah and that sign campaign? Really? Here and there are a few of them still out there. What good did they think that campaign would actually have on the legal case? None. Its not like signs and donations would help make the kid appear mentally ill to get a lighter mental disease sentence. Either he is or he is not sick in the head, no pun intended. Was the sign campaign meant to sway the judge, DA and potential jury pool? If so then it is even more disgusting. I am looking at this case and wondering really who is more sick and sadistic, the son with the gun or the father with his signs, websites and stalking people?
I don't think racism is founded in religion, but I do think people skew religious beliefs in order to support racism and racist acts.
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Post by Clipper on Jul 20, 2011 17:34:28 GMT -5
"I don't think racism is founded in religion, but I do think people skew religious beliefs in order to support racism and racist acts. "
I guess one wouldn't have to look any further than the KKK to substantiate that theory FA. The supposed doctrine of the Klan was to preserve the white Christians of the world to keep the race pure. That last rally that they had here in Bristol certainly showed me that THEY AREN'T CHRISTIANS. The skin heads and scumbags that showed up to represent the KKK were real dirt bags and hate mongers. Swastikas and racist phrases tattooed on their arms, and vile racist slime spewing from their mouths.
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Post by firstamendment on Jul 20, 2011 20:32:21 GMT -5
The Klan perverts Christianity just as Extremists pervert Islam. Funny what people will do in the name of religion.
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Post by Clipper on Jul 22, 2011 11:20:35 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/breaking/x1009567711/Cooperstown-shooter-gets-11-years-in-prisonSo justice is being served in my personal opinion, now if they can just bring the old man to justice, and make it safe for Wesley Lippitt to walk the streets of his hometown without fear of intimidation or harm from the shooter's father who is obviously racist and bigot with some anger management issues. Maybe they can arrange some "father son time" and the father and son can shoot some hoops in the prison yard when daddy is sent to the same facility as the son.
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Post by firstamendment on Jul 22, 2011 11:35:43 GMT -5
Interestingly, the father was quoted the victim's family wanted their pound of flesh. But if you read this and past articles, the victim's family actually AGREED to a lower sentence. The DA offered 12 years, defense countered with 11 and the Lippett's agreed to it. So if they were so hard pressed for their pound of flesh, they just as easily NOT agreed to any plea offer in the first place.
Daddy has some issues.
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Post by Clipper on Jul 22, 2011 11:40:05 GMT -5
Exactly. The Lippitts most likely want to simply put this behind them, however impossible that may be. Hopefully it has not divided the village to seriously and life will be able to go back to a somewhat normal comfort level.
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Post by corner on Jul 22, 2011 18:06:59 GMT -5
if u saw the news tonite so does mommy
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