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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 26, 2009 11:30:34 GMT -5
Geez guys, play nice! There's room in the sandbox for all of ya.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 26, 2009 11:33:52 GMT -5
Sorry that you feel that way Swampfox, and sorry to see you go. I guess we can't satisfy all the people all of the time. You could take some lessons from Swimmy. He is also a NH native, and he handles discussion without being so sensitive and defensive. I can only offer my condolences to you, for your dislike of the way things are discussed here. The MAIN premise followed here, is that it is allowed to move along as heated discussion until it becomes a personal spat between members, and then it is not something that is productive to the discussion, or to the atmosphere we try to maintain here. Criticism and sarcasm are two different things. When one aims their guns at another member and the discourse becomes a petty snit, then it is time to moderate, and put it to rest. I attempted to "calm the seas" but I am not going to pander to anyone that is not able to come half way, and let it rest.
I am sure that many of us will continue to follow Concerned Citizens with interest. It is too bad that the little snit escalated to such a level, but I could not in clear conscience delete the posts, or lock the thread, and end discussion of an issue that had merit. It would not be fair to either party.
No hard feelings here Swampfox. If you reconsider at a later date and decide to come back at some point, you will be welcomed. I will not delete your account, although you are free to do so within the profile section. Have a good day.
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Post by frankcor on Mar 26, 2009 13:35:45 GMT -5
Was it something I said?
::glyph of frankcor seeking another football to play with::
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 26, 2009 14:48:48 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree that they are well-informed. The discourse that has gone on here typifies one's inability to grasp the message that one articulates. When all I see as responses are caricatures inserted into one's remarks...I begin to wonder. I will not be posting here, however, I will surely be a strong supporter of CC. At least what they say is of the utmost integrity as compared to the writings of the Observer Dispatch. Incidenally, I agree with your point on being civil in these discussions. Dave and Clarence, in my humble opinion are not humble but someone's attack dogs. My perception but a true one. Thank you for allowing me to post, however, I bid you farewell. Ah, me. I'm not "someone's attack dogs." But there's that whiff of innuendo and conspiracist rot again. But you're right, I am definitely not humble.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 26, 2009 15:46:26 GMT -5
I find the attack dog innuendo totally off base and insulting. Sorry to see ANY member even feeling that way, but there are NO attack dogs on this forum, and the one's being accused are long time, and respected members. I think that Swampfox made his point and made his opinion of our forum quite evident. With that low opinion in mind, I guess he is not destined to be a productive contributor, so I wish him a pleasant journey to whatever forum he may land upon.
As far as the NH blogs are concerned, I will continue to read them with respect and interest, and I am sure we will continue to discuss NH issues on here, with or without the input from the Concerned Citizens. We have several well informed NH people on here to keep us abreast of political issues in NH. We can live without those that have a fire in their belly but a thin skin. It should be noted that the individual involved "supports" the Concerned Citizens. He is not the official spokesman for the blog. I don't consider his opinion to necessarily be expressly that of the owner of the blog.
I should qualify this statement by saying that I say this as my personal opinion, and not that of the forum or it's staff.
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Post by frankcor on Mar 26, 2009 21:10:38 GMT -5
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Post by Clipper on Mar 26, 2009 22:43:57 GMT -5
Now that is one bad assed looking attack dog Frank! Kinda like our Buffy, she will bark you deaf, and then lick you into submission. She is the toughest toy poodle on the road.
I chuckled to myself when they called Clarence and Dave attack dogs. I don't know as I ever met two more well mannered, laid back guys in my life. I am sure that they can handle themselves, but they just don't strike me as that attack dog, bruiser type, LOL.
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Post by arkangel on Mar 26, 2009 22:51:06 GMT -5
In my "reading" of everything that has been stated; I can only find that anyone who attempts to write what they feel does appear to be criticized unfairly. I believe this venue was put here because the O.D. would remove those writers who were alleged to violated policy, whatever that was. I personally believe there was a lot of negativity in some of the postings I have read, however, I will not go in and discuss each and every aspect as I have seen some do in this venue. A person's contribution whether right or wrong appears to be challenged - just because someone does not like what is being said. I also, read where Topix is a "junk" venue but there is some truth in what is being said. Now in defense of "S" I just noticed that the O.D. put in an editorial regarding the Town of New Hartford, Earle Reed and Frank Basile and the town bookkeeper (Carol Fairbrother). "S" was right in his statement of support and now we have an O.D. Editorial that pretty much says the same thing. We all need to be less critical and enjoy these posts for what they were intended for. That is, a lot of humor, however, not to the point of degrading someone or something. I saw nothing objectionable in the way "S" stated a position, however, I did see where there were things said that totally did not make sense. I hope Clipper's Corner does not turn into the same thing the O.D. did and lost most of it's member contributors. There really was some great writings but ? Everyone have a good night, I am tired after a wonderful evening listening to one of our former Speaker of the House (Newt Gingrich). This guy went after Democrats and Republicans, among Civil Libertarians and even Civil "Vegetarians." The last one was humor injected for the benefit of the audience.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 26, 2009 23:25:39 GMT -5
Every forum hits a bump in the road now and again. I am saddened every time it happens, but we cannot control anyone elses opinion or lock threads every time there is a disagreement, or we DO become like the old OD forums. I coax and prod a little. If it becomes too nasty or violates the TOS or rules, we deal with it, but until then, we encourage folks that disagree to either work it out in a civil manner, or let it drop and agree to disagree. Most find this a civil and decent place to discuss, but it is not perfect, and personality conflicts are a reality on any forum. There is a Private Messaging capability with the forum. I have seen disputing parties take their personal disagreement to the PM feature and return to the forum, cordial and civil again.
I hope you will stick around and let things chill Ark. Like I said, personalities clash from time to time, and it is a fact of life. If we didn't disagree from time to time, discussion would get pretty hum drum and boring.
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Post by bobbbiez on Mar 27, 2009 11:10:30 GMT -5
Arkangel, I to read the OD editorial concerning the goings on in N.Hartford which I was well aware of because of you, "S", and the group Concerned Citizens long before the OD decided to print the story. I do want to thank you and the others for bringing out the facts. Without people as yourselves nothing would ever be brought to light or corrected. Don't think many realize just how much work is involved to go up against any form of government. I am really sorry this topic got out of hand and do want you to know that not all here feel the same. I hope you and others continue to bring out the mis-doings in N.Hartford as I'm hoping others do concerning our whole area. I can truly see because of groups as Concerned Citizens and private citizens willing to buck the establishments that in the future we can all work together as one in some form of consolation.
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Post by frankcor on Mar 27, 2009 11:46:21 GMT -5
Today's editorial must feel like a vindication to New Hartford Concerned Citizens. The editor gave credit to NHCC for the board's decision not to award Basil another contract. WTG, Cathy and Ed!
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