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Post by Clipper on Jun 26, 2022 10:48:25 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-supreme-court-overturned-new-york-s-concealed-carry-law-americans-react/ar-AAYT1E3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=847c44f2ee124e49ac8af8939c45cd5dRegardless of what one's opinion might be when it comes to AR type rifles, a person SHOULD be able to carry a concealed weapon for self-protection in today's climate. Laws forbidding people to legally own and carry a handgun certainly haven't lowered the crime rates in cities like Chicago or Indianapolis. NY has always had strict laws addressing the issuance of a handgun permit. When I got mine years ago I had to have several references and even including a judge and a relative in law enforcement it took me months. The recent decision doesn't mean that a person can necessarily just buy a handgun and carry it without restriction. I am sure that it will make it easier to get a permit but NY State will certainly legislate who, where, and when a handgun can be carried. Having to justify WHY you want to own a handgun is what was overly intrusive and against the second amendment.
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on Jun 26, 2022 11:26:20 GMT -5
What got me was what some Congressman said and that if a persons only excuse for wanting a permit to legally carry under this law was for self protection that would not be sufficient!!!! I don't understand that at all. I think I heard it right
He also said that as far as where a person can carry ioenly also has to be determined. Like in a bar or theatre or school or church......
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Post by Clipper on Jun 26, 2022 13:16:19 GMT -5
New York DID need to loosen the restriction as far as qualifying for and obtaining a pistol permit. Tennessee has some pretty loose restrictions on handguns. They no longer require a permit to buy or carry a handgun, either concealed or openly carried. As avid as I am about the right to carry a firearm, I think that simply removing any and all restriction as to who can buy a handgun and carry it is going a bit too far. I believe that anyone that can pass a background check, and receive proper training, should be issued a permit to carry a handgun, but to allow anyone over 21 to just walk into a gun store, buy a gun, strap it on and walk out with a pistol on their hip with nothing more than a federal background check is a bit TOO loose. With my enhanced Tennessee permit I can legally carry in 36 states. Here locally I can carry open on my hip in both Tennessee and Virginia, but I don't foresee any situation where I would want to be openly carrying a pistol on my belt. I always carry concealed with my shirt untucked to cover my gun. Permit holder or not, there are still restrictions that can be placed by businesses, churches, and other places. Here we can't carry in a school or a hospital for instance. I originally got my NY permit in order to hunt deer in close quarters such as in tag alders or brush. I had a long barreled S&W Model 686 Plus 357 magnum revolver with a 7 inch barrel and a scope. I liked the 357 because for target shooting you could use 38 caliber ammo as well as the magnum rounds. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=smith+and+wesson+357+revolver+with+7+inch+barrel&docid=608038258476130187&mid=A79373156F8A48F5CF60A79373156F8A48F5CF60&view=detail&FORM=VIRE |
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Post by BHU on Jun 26, 2022 14:29:03 GMT -5
Just what this Country needs right now. Millions of trigger happy cowboys running around packing heat. Brilliant.
When was the last time a private citizen used a hadgun to stop a crime in progress? I've heard of only a handfull of cases in the last 10 years. I'll bet the majority of hangun owners couldn't hit the broad side of Grand Central Station, let alone take out a criminal to stop a crime without killing some innocent bystander.
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on Jun 26, 2022 15:56:37 GMT -5
This I did not know and it clears up the misinformation: Fact check: Contrary to viral claims, handguns are legal in Chicago
The claim: Handguns are illegal in Chicago The Uvalde massacre has reinvigorated the debate over gun laws and led to unsupported arguments about the effectiveness of gun safety measures. Radio host Sebastian Gorka, who served as the deputy assistant to former President Donald Trump, has argued that gun violence is rampant in Chicago, even though, he says, handguns are banned there. Gorka attacked Chicago's laws after a spate of shootings over Memorial Day weekend in a May 30 Facebook post. "40 people shot," the post, reads. "FORTY. In a city where handguns are illegal. It’s not about guns. Or the law-abiding." Versions of Gorka's post on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter accrued thousands of likes and shares. Gorka has also previously claimed that all guns – not just handguns – are illegal in Chicago. But he's wrong in either case. "The statements that all guns are illegal in Chicago and that handguns are illegal in Chicago are equally false," Darrell Miller, a professor of law at Duke University, said in a phone interview with USA TODAY. Gorka did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Handguns are legal in Chicago While Chicago has tighter gun laws than many other parts of the country, it does not restrict the sale or possession of handguns. Chicago did have gun restrictions in place in years past, but they have been struck down by court rulings, most recently in 2014. Chicago banned the possession of handguns within city limits in 1982, but in 2010, the Supreme Court found the city's restrictions unconstitutional. The ruling in that case – McDonald v. Chicago – was similar to the court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, which overturned a ban on gun ownership in Washington, D.C., two years earlier. "Under McDonald v. Chicago, as in District v. Heller, the Supreme Court held that the Constitution guarantees an individual the right to have a handgun in the home for purposes of self-defense," Miller told USA TODAY. Chicago subsequently banned the sale of handguns, but a 2014 decision from a federal court rendered that, too, unconstitutional. Laws further loosened when Illinois became the last state in the country to legalize concealed carry in 2014. Experts told USA TODAY that Chicago's former gun bans may be why conservatives incorrectly point to it as having radical gun laws today. Nevertheless, Chicago and Illinois still have some stringent policies. The city currently prohibits the sale, possession and use of assault weapons, such as AR-style rifles, according to its municipal code. Illinois requires the use of firearm owner identification cards and prohibits "ghost guns" – weapons that are missing identification numbers. Fact check:The Secret Service, not the NRA, is prohibiting attendees of Trump speech from carrying guns Our rating: False Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that handguns are illegal in Chicago. While Chicago once had policies effectively prohibiting the possession of handguns in the city, the Supreme Court struck them down in 2010. Currently, the city has a ban on assault weapons, but not on handguns. It has never banned guns altogether. www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/06/23/fact-check-handguns-legal-chicago/7625983001/ |
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Post by Clipper on Jun 26, 2022 19:53:55 GMT -5
Just what this Country needs right now. Millions of trigger happy cowboys running around packing heat. Brilliant. When was the last time a private citizen used a hadgun to stop a crime in progress? I've heard of only a handfull of cases in the last 10 years. I'll bet the majority of hangun owners couldn't hit the broad side of Grand Central Station, let alone take out a criminal to stop a crime without killing some innocent bystander. What American needs now is more "responsible" gun owners carrying guns to protect themselves and others from those "trigger happy cowboys" as well as gang bangers, home invaders, convenience store robbers, drug dealers, and demented people such as the mass shooters in the news recently. If you want to see "trigger happy cowboys" as a citizen of the Utica area of late, you don't have to go far. Pick up the OD and read about the nightly shootings around the city. Contrary to what you might think, there are a huge number of people who carry a concealed weapon here as well and there, and have for years. In most cases No one would ever know that they were armed, and they never take their gun from it's holster other than at a range. The fact that there ARE gun toting cowboys out there is all the more reason to carry a self defense weapon. As far as killing innocent bystanders, a responsible shooter insures that there is no one behind their target. I don't shoot often but when I have had the opportunity I have gone to a range with a female friend of ours who is part of a Sheriff Dept trained church security group, a retired Virginia state trooper, and recently I have gone to the VFW range and enjoyed shooting with a group of fellow veterans. I have two pistols. One is a 9mm and the other a little 380 I recently acquired. Both have 4 inch barrels and short barreled guns are not accurate much beyond 15 yds or so. With practice I have learned to place 5 shots in a 10 or 12 inch group at 15 yds. If a person doesn't like guns they aren't required to own or carry one, but don't try to take away MY right to own or carry a gun. Many people my age spent 4 yrs defending the country with guns, and now I simply defend myself and Kathy with a gun. I like to shoot and enjoy it. I seldom carry unless we are out at night, and when we are home my 380 is in a drawer in a lamp table and the 9mm is in my top dresser drawer. Both loaded, placed with the barrel facing an outside wall, and neither with a round in the chamber. I am too old to fight and too fat to run, so if someone comes here armed to do us harm, they most likely will not fare well. If someone knocks on the door at night, the little 380 is in my pocket when I answer it. We live in a rural setting on a dark road. I am also more comfortable going to the ATM or walking to my car in dimly lit parking lot at night. I carry a gun to potentially protect MYSELF, not to be anyone's hero. . |
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Post by BHU on Jun 27, 2022 5:35:00 GMT -5
All the cowboys running around carrying concealed weapons doesn't seem to have made a dent in gang shootings, convenience store robberies, home invaders, drug dealers etc so what's the point? Carrying a concealed weapon has not put a dent in crime but let's now have countless numbers of Dirty Harry wannabes running around packing a pistol anyway. Brilliant.
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Post by Clipper on Jun 27, 2022 8:12:39 GMT -5
It is a simple matter of legal carriers wanting to protect THEMSELVES. As for a decrease in robberies etc, the number of robberies, drug dealers, and home invasions, every time a store owner pulls a gun from under the counter and shoots an armed robber, they not only protect themselves, the street is safer for YOU as well as for citizens in general. Those that work the overnight shift at a convenience store are braver than I am. I don't carry a gun to decrease robberies or impact overall crime statistics. Hopefully my gun will never leave it's holster anywhere but at the range. Brilliant? Not a matter of intelligence. Just a matter of personal choice, my right, and common sense.
It is your perogative. If you want to allow a home invader to beat your ass, assault your wife, shoot you both, and empty your house of valuables, in the 10 or 15 minutes it might take for a police response, knock yourself out. While the odds of you being the victim of a home invasion or armed confrontation are relatively remote, I prefer the odds to be even or in MY favor. MY perogative, end of story. No dirty harry wannabe here. Just a citizen exercising my constitutional rights. As for protecting YOU? Not my job. If a person shoots someone that is a perceived threat to someone else's life and is no threat to their own, they expose themselves to all sorts of possible criminal liability. That is certainly not why I own or carry a weapon. Just whipping out a pistol and precipitating a gun fight in a store is not on MY agenda.
The world we grew up is no longer the same. I don't remember EVER hearing of a car jacking back in the 50s, 60s, or 70s. Drugs were not as big of a problem and therefore robberies, muggings and assaults by crackheads and gangster wannabes were relatively unheard of. Recently here a guy was stabbed and left in critical condition after confronting catalytic converter thieves he spotted on his security camera. Wouldn't happen in MY driveway. Not long ago a woman was carjacked at an ATM, forced to withdraw money, driven to a remote stretch of road and forced to get out of car and left beside the road. The car was later found abandoned on a side street in Johnson City. Not going to happen to me. Not long ago a store security person was tied up with duct tape, gagged with tape over his mouth, and stuffed in a fitting room by two women caught putting merchandise in their pants and in their purse late at night at a Walmart store in North Carolina. Not a situation that would have warranted shooting anyone, but certainly a sign of how warped and unpredictable society has become.
Just as with partisan politics, this is just one more subject that you and I will never agree on.
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Post by Clipper on Jun 27, 2022 10:38:17 GMT -5
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Post by Ralph on Jun 27, 2022 15:00:54 GMT -5
Looks like that are going to put a hold on the issuance of pistol permits here in Once County, at least for a while and they figure out what they want to do.
Go figure.
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on Jun 27, 2022 16:11:07 GMT -5
Looks like that are going to put a hold on the issuance of pistol permits here in Once County, at least for a while and they figure out what they want to do. Go figure. Now that sounds UNCONSTITUTIONAL! |
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Post by BHU on Jun 27, 2022 18:11:22 GMT -5
So is a coup attempt.
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on Jun 27, 2022 18:30:58 GMT -5
I know I would like a real nice leather holster to hold my revolver. Hopefully this would be an entitlement for low income folks so the playing field is leveled.
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Post by Clipper on Jun 28, 2022 18:12:26 GMT -5
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