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Post by froggy on Mar 30, 2008 11:25:43 GMT -5
Trust me, several of the threatening posts from kook, I c&p'ed, put into emails that went both to the email address in the "contacting moderators" sticky and addressed to Fran also. Each one of the replies I sent back to chin also were addressed to Fran. Not playing games here.
Based on the last post I saw from kook, it appears they must have finally been warned.
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Post by Ralph on Mar 30, 2008 14:31:38 GMT -5
Well here is the discourse I have had with her to this point as off last night. I haven't decided whether to respone to her or not. I may be almost as futile as "feeding the trolls" in my opinion. My personal though is a wannabe journalist that couldn't cut it in the real world and is now stuck in a dead end position with little authority to do much, so she is striking out where she can. Talk about that board going from one extreme to another! Anyways, here it is............... Sat 3/29/2008 6:45 PM Greetings,
This warning has been sent to you over the following incendiary statement you made on the uticaod.com forum: "As far as intelligence goes…… Your syntax, grammar and spelling leave much to be desired. And the fact that you are constantly using BBC and HTML codes that don’t work on this board, well………….there’s that too." As per the terms of use outlined here: www.gatehousemedia.com/terms_of_use.
Please refrain from personal insults and incendiary remarks directed at other users otherwise your posts will be deleted.
Thank you,
Chinelo Onwualu
Night Web Editor
Observer-Dispatch________________________________________________ My Reply:Sat 3/29/2008 8:08 PM Ms. Onwualu, I think you will find I have not violated the TOS as I agreed to when I registered. Certainly not anywhere as near the poster I referenced this comment to who was making threats to other members of the board. I can sense that while your credentials may be impressive, you have not had much experience moderating such a forum. I would suggest you go to the registration page and read the TOS yourself. I have CC’ed this to Mr. Perritano as well to see if he finds this offensive as I am not inclined to be threatened in such a manner when making posts. Not being an “anonymous entity” on board as some people are, and being a member in good standing on all of the OD’s boards since their original inception, I take threats such as this very seriously. I would suggest that you address all the members of the forum in an equal way. You seem to be causing quite a stir with a number of members there and they have commented to me on it as well. I would hardy call the statement I made “incendiary” as compared in any way to the usual banter that ensues there. Regards, Ralph C. Quinn ____________________________________________________ Her last comment to me:Sun 3/30/2008 12:36 AM
Mr. Quinn,
I understand your concerns and I sent similar messages to other members of the forum who have made comments such as your own.
Unfortunately, some of what is considered "usual banter" on the forum can be interpreted as highly offensive and inflammatory to new members, which can and has led to "flaming" between more established users and newer ones. In order to cut down on such incidents, I have been monitoring the site and warning about statements that might be considered incendiary.
I appreciate that while you might not find your own statements out of order, they may be interpreted as such by others. Of course, I cannot be everywhere at once, and if you are aware of any statements that you find offensive please let me or Mr. Perritano know and they will be dealt with accordingly.
Thank you,
Chinelo Onwualu
Night Web Editor
Observer-Dispatch
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 30, 2008 15:59:00 GMT -5
What a douche! Apparently she has selective sight and missed the post that insinuated your response!
I "seriously questioned her ability to moderate."
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Post by froggy on Mar 30, 2008 19:04:19 GMT -5
My personal though is a wannabe journalist that couldn't cut it in the real world and is now stuck in a dead end position with little authority to do much, so she is striking out where she can. Upon finding that link I provided earlier, your above comment, Ralph, are almost word for word of the thoughts which ran thru my mind. Seriously. Overeducated and underexperienced. You comments were far from incendiary, rather, pointed out the obvious about that poster's masacre of the english language. And I love her "can be interpretted" nonsense. Anything can be interpretted in any way a person wants to. Funny that they can be interpretted as such to new members, as if to give them right of way. |
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Post by thelma on Mar 30, 2008 19:31:22 GMT -5
This word "interpretted" is the same as "perceptiion" - neither can be controlled by an individual. I had a boss once that thought everyone should be "friends" with ALL other employees and was constantly using the word "perception" of what other people thought of you. To this day, even being retired, I hate both of these words!!!!!!!
This is her college/educated control of the English language showing - NOT common sense or reality.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 30, 2008 20:37:36 GMT -5
No, not so much college educated control of the language, just her way of trying to hide the fact she's covering for her friends.
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Post by thelma on Mar 30, 2008 20:41:30 GMT -5
Then she is playing a dangerous game and once the facts are known, she better start looking for another job!
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Post by frankcor on Mar 31, 2008 9:49:35 GMT -5
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance (or inexperience).
Rather, I think it's more likely that she received a complaint from kook and jumped right in without carefully reading the entire topic. Once she got called on it, she dug in her heels -- I mean, it's hard to admit a mistake, right?
Besides, I think she's hot.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 31, 2008 15:06:45 GMT -5
 I was reading on the OD forum this morning, that they are modifying their format once more. It sounds like they are going to go to strictly an "editorial" format, with no room for the usual puppet activity and bantering back and forth by the irritainers. I think the post by the moderator says that they will be doing away with some of the areas of the forum, and revamping the thing into a "comment" type thing, instead of a discussion forum. That doesn't surprise me any. The unfortunate thing is that what we used to enjoy so much, has deteriorated into such a mess. the usual suspects take what could be interesting and informative topics and turn them to dog and cat fights and matching wits with opposing personalities. I think that they are realizing that things are beyond saving. They are realizing that the control of the forum is out of hand. I don't think that they have much choice but to do what they are doing. The negative aspect of that, is that with their TOS, and their editorial stance on issues, it will be like when some of us have written editorials to the printed edition of the OD. the former "moderator" will be come the supreme and almighty censor and demogogue of all editorial opinion to be included on the forum. I guess we will have to wait and see what evolves. I find that there is a large difference between "discussion" and "comment". I perceive "comment" as a one time posting of opinion, and "discussion" an opportunity for others to "comment" on our opinions as well. If it becomes a "Comment" forum, it will become very boring to me. It will make me even more grateful that we have developed this forum to discuss issues of interest. Thank goodness we have the intelligent and informed folks in our membership that make this forum worthwhile and educational as well as fun. Thank you all for picking up the ball when I conceived this thing. Thanks to Ralph and Kim, for their expertise in getting it up and running, and thanks to you all for your participation. You all make my days a little brighter, and my mind a little more well informed on a daily basis. What I selfishly started as a place for me to go to entertain myself in my retirement because I was afraid the OD forum was headed in a bad direction, took flight and became OUR place to come and relax and discuss things civily and without anger and conflict.  What I tried to start as a alternative when problems arose on the OD forum, has taken on a life of it's own, thanks to you all. Our membership family has made this board like nothing that the OD could ever match or compete with.  We can only hang on and see what the OD does with their forum, but at least we have this board to come to as a supplement of substitution. Thanks all, for making it what it is! ;D
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Post by Clipper on Mar 31, 2008 15:11:15 GMT -5
I was reading on the OD forum this morning, that they are modifying their format once more. It sounds like they are going to go to strictly an "editorial" format, with no room for the usual puppet activity and bantering back and forth by the irritainers. I think the post by the moderator says that they will be doing away with some of the areas of the forum, and revamping the thing into a "comment" type thing, instead of a discussion forum. That doesn't surprise me any. The unfortunate thing is that what we used to enjoy so much, has deteriorated into such a mess. the usual suspects take what could be interesting and informative topics and turn them to dog and cat fights and matching wits with opposing personalities. I think that they are realizing that things are beyond saving. They are realizing that the control of the forum is out of hand. I don't think that they have much choice but to do what they are doing. The negative aspect of that, is that with their TOS, and their editorial stance on issues, it will be like when some of us have written editorials to the printed edition of the OD. the former "moderator" will be come the supreme and almighty censor and demogogue of all editorial opinion to be included on the forum. I guess we will have to wait and see what evolves. I find that there is a large difference between "discussion" and "comment". I perceive "comment" as a one time posting of opinion, and "discussion" an opportunity for others to "comment" on our opinions as well. If it becomes a "Comment" forum, it will become very boring to me. It will make me even more grateful that we have developed this forum to discuss issues of interest. Thank goodness we have the intelligent and informed folks in our membership that make this forum worthwhile and educational as well as fun. Thank you all for picking up the ball when I conceived this thing. Thanks to Ralph and Kim, for their expertise in getting it up and running, and thanks to you all for your participation. You all make my days a little brighter, and my mind a little more well informed on a daily basis. What I selfishly started as a place for me to go to entertain myself in my retirement because I was afraid the OD forum was headed in a bad direction, took flight and became OUR place to come and relax and discuss things civily and without anger and conflict. What I tried to start as a alternative when problems arose on the OD forum, has taken on a life of it's own, thanks to you all. Our membership family has made this board like nothing that the OD could ever match or compete with. We can only hang on and see what the OD does with their forum, but at least we have this board to come to as a supplement of substitution. I will feel badly if the OD forum goes away. It was the first forum experience for me when I bought a computer, and it provided me with hours and hours of relaxation. Thanks all, for making THIS board and forum what it is! ;D
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 31, 2008 17:39:50 GMT -5
Sounds as though Chinelo may be attempting to clean up the OD forums. Not a bad idea, if you don't mind my opinion as an outsider, who doesn't post there but has occasionally read some of the rather idiotic posts. But if so, she will need to draw a line in the sand, say that it starts right here, right now, and get the word out as well as be very explicit about the expected behavior. Second hand from you guys, that doesn't seem to be happening.
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 31, 2008 17:41:53 GMT -5
On second thought, although Chinelo may be able to enforce a ban on outright threats and insults, etc., she will probably not be able to enforce simple manners. And the latter is mostly what is missing on the OD forums. The group will have to do that themselves by example.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 31, 2008 19:23:44 GMT -5
From reading her exchanges with Ralph, Froggy, and myself, it appears chinelo is into selective moderating. She ignores the initial offending post and attacks those who respond to the post. That's the problem with the shoddy moderating. Chinelo's problem is that she's attacking the people who do the moderating for her when she's not moderating. There was this one guy, vinnie. He typed in all caps and would post about 3 or 4 times in a row. Several people asked him to learn to use a caps lock button. He refused and began making death threats to every poster. Those threats were allowed to stay up for days. But several people who ridiculed vinnie for the death threats were sent e-mails that their posts and/or accounts would be deleted if they continued insulting vinnie. Jduges finally pointed out the problem to the moderators who seemingly couldn't figure out why there was such an outrage from the veteran posters. About an hour after that, every post vinnie made was deleted.
And it wouldn't be so bad if people who posted actually gave an indication that they knew what they were talking about. Take for example sepeterman. Scottie routinely runs his mouth without backing it up with facts. Frankcor and I have pointed this out to him every time and rather than respond to our specific posts, he leaves some generalized post about how we're all stupid and he's so smart. Yet that still doesn't answer Frank's question of when the city, county, and state officials have bent over backwards to try and negotiate, but I provided several instances of when OIN have.
Another example is the gmo incident where he accused a judge of committing a federal offense without any evidence to support it. That type of posting should never be allowed to stand up there. It's one thing if there is some merit to the claim, but after it has been explained and dispelled, it's outright defamatory to continue to insist upon an incorrect assertion.
The current dialogue on the police consolidation thread deteriorated when ching decided to bully people around. Since, it has returned to talking about consolidation. Cing learned from his mistakes and even apologized. Something even I have a difficult time doing (I hate being wrong). But as you've seen here on these boards, when I'm out of line, i tend to apologize.
The problem is not that the veteran posters "gang up" and insult the new comers. Rather it's the new comers who start spouting baseless rhetoric and then get offended when they're challenged on it. Rather than accept that they might be embellishing or talking out of their arses, they get personal. Start clearing that up, and you'll see a great deal of improvement. It got worse when us regulars stopped being regulars. Before we stopped, it was a pretty easy place to have open-minded discussion, for the most part. There was always the occaissional airhead, but they were in the minority. And it was not as easy to create sock puppets, at least I don't recall ever seeing so many.
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Post by froggy on Mar 31, 2008 19:48:53 GMT -5
sorry swimmy, I had to break rank and try to squash the discord because the topic actually started to get going in a very productive direction when ching showed up again. I will not be the one to take it off in a nasty way like it did before and was not the one who took the train off the rails if you will in the first place. ching was wrong and way off base on a lot of the stuff he was rambling about, especially the whole "Herkimer" thing. I grew up here and I am very much a part of this county as I am my "home" county. Probably always will be. They say never forget your roots, where you came from.
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Post by Swimmy on Mar 31, 2008 20:29:01 GMT -5
No need to apologize, froggy. Something needed to be done. I was trying to correct Jstarr's impression that we ganged up on ching, when in fact he came after us. I'm glad the conversation is back on track. As it should be. I say that if you're able to steer the conversation back on course to something productive, do so. We all need a little reeling in at times. :-)
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I was reading on the OD forum this morning, that they are modifying their format once more. It sounds like they are going to go to strictly an "editorial" format, with no room for the usual puppet activity and bantering back and forth by the irritainers.
