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Post by Clipper on May 14, 2011 11:30:49 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/latestnews/x447612940/Police-Man-released-from-headquarters-hot-wires-officers-carI had to laugh when I read this story. The guy is arrested for tearing up the grounds at the Psych Center and then when he is released, he is caught in the Police Station parking lot, trying to hot wire a cop's private vehicle, and he has stolen items that he stole from a police cruiser in his pockets. I say that possibly they should take him back to the Psych Center, but to the admissions office. If this knucklehead is not nuts, he damn sure is somewhat mentally deficient, hahaha.
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Post by firstamendment on May 14, 2011 11:38:00 GMT -5
Guess cops should be smart enough to lock their doors.
Seeing how I was behind an off duty UPD cop yesterday on his way to work, let me enlighten you to how smart they really are. I was behind him on 5S from around the Fairgrounds in Frankfort right to the police station. The entire time, in his Chevy pickup, he was tailgating a Cavalier in front of him, all the while talking on the cell phone. Left turn off the Boulevard onto Seneca Street, no directional light. Flashing red light to cross the Boulevard, rolled right throug it. Intersection of Seneca and Lafayette (Hotel Utica) another flashing light, rolled right through it making a right turn, no directional light. Down Lafayette to turn into the station parking lot, again no directional light. Laid the horn on as I went around him and gives me this dumb look with the phone against his ear.
Yeah that's what we have to deal with, above the law arrogance.
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Post by Clipper on May 14, 2011 11:48:30 GMT -5
Sad testament to the UPD FA. I know a good many Utica Police Officers though and the majority of them are dedicated and responsible individuals. Every deck of cards has a couple of jokers, and every police department has a couple that think that a badge is a license to be an ass and get away with it.
I know of a state trooper who I rode to Lowes in N Utica from Remsen with on one occasion, doing 85 and 90 through a state police radar trap on Deerfield Hill. He waved at the fellow troopers as we flew by. He is no longer a trooper, and how ironically just that is. His arrogance and ignoring of the laws that apply to ALL of us, cost him his job and retirement. I do however know that most of the New York State Police officers are well trained, respectable, upstanding citizens, and dedicated officers of the law.
One would hope that people wouldn't form an image of an entire department, based on the actions of one idiot such as you describe. UPD IS a good police department, and they need the serious support of the citizenry to carry out an impossible job. Mark Williams is an exemplary police officer and there won't be any of the past nonsense going on with HIS knowledge. I would call him if I were you and tell HIM the story that you just related here.
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Post by firstamendment on May 14, 2011 11:59:07 GMT -5
I've got a relative with the UPD who is a big part of their computer crimes team. Can't say I have a tainted image of the entire dept per se, just some skepticism in general. I've known some good cops, but I've also seen some who have a sense of entitlement. I have been told stories by a good friend with the Oneida County Sheriff's office about other sheriffs driving drunk off duty, running their cars off the road and calling a fellow blue brother to come pick them up, avoiding the charges altogether. then there was the story about Matt Sullivan and his DWI issue in a State police vehicle. I want to respect law enforcement, but when we see idiotic, and even dangerous behavior, from them, it doesn't give us the warm fuzzies. Ya know.
Bringing someone up like Mark Williams was the right thing to do. He is someone who worked his way up, unlike La Bella and an outsider like Pylman. When Pylman was hired I never thought it was a good idea to begin with. He was an outsider, never had much experience working with the public in Utica. How does it bode for morale when it gives the message nobody IN the department is qualified so we'll look elsewhere? And that fact of not having Utica experience. He had several missteps along the way that could have been avoided by someone with Utica experience. He might have been a great Trooper, but he dealt with a broader population. A city like Utica has its niches and nuances, thus someone who had been experienced with the community and the UPD for that matter is the better bet.
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Post by bobbbiez on May 14, 2011 12:51:54 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/latestnews/x447612940/Police-Man-released-from-headquarters-hot-wires-officers-carI had to laugh when I read this story. The guy is arrested for tearing up the grounds at the Psych Center and then when he is released, he is caught in the Police Station parking lot, trying to hot wire a cop's private vehicle, and he has stolen items that he stole from a police cruiser in his pockets. I say that possibly they should take him back to the Psych Center, but to the admissions office. If this knucklehead is not nuts, he damn sure is somewhat mentally deficient, hahaha.  This Hall kid and his brothers are low-life scumbags. They are the ones who hang out at the corner of Andes Ave and Whitesboro St and cause nothing but grief in the whole neighborhood. If you read Andes Ave in the police blotter it usually has something to do with the Halls. They have been in and out of jail too many times to count and can be dangerous since they carry weapons. Last year I was driving by and saw this kid in a fight on the corner and he was swinging a machete at the guy he was fighting with. I immediately called the cops and parked down the road till the police came. I saw the kid throw the machete over the fence down the street and pointed that out to the police. He was arrested and was in jail for a while only to get back out too soon causing trouble again.  My argument is with our court system and the revolving door they use for guys like this. It happens way too often and I'm damn sick of it. They slap the hands of these guys until they do something horrible no one can ignore. Our court system is getting just as sick as the sickos on the street that they should be putting away.  |
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Post by dgriffin on May 14, 2011 13:59:28 GMT -5
I've known some good cops, but I've also seen some who have a sense of entitlement. . Same here. I would only add that in my experience Most have a sense of entitlement. |
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Post by Clipper on May 14, 2011 14:41:19 GMT -5
Well, as many already know, Matt Sullivan is my former stepson. I once stood up for him because of loyalty to my ex-wife's family, who are wonderful people, but were sadly misinformed and mistinformed me in turn. HE was the cop that took me for the ride over Deerfield Hill. YES he was one of the "entitled" group. In the long run, he got what he deserved. I DID find it rather disgusting that Donna Donovan made it her mission to keep it on the front page everyday, because she and Matt had a history. Especially with the way her kid's DWI was hushed up, and the way the NH Cops handled THAT arrest, when he should have been dragged back to Utica and put in jail for leaving the scene of an accident, and DWI. It was a miracle that he didn't kill the old man whose car he sideswiped.
I have to defend some of that "entitlement" though. It is a dangerous and thankless job, and the closeness of fellow officers, and the fact that you have a job that requires you to have your fellow officer's back, I think gives them a certain right to some level of entitlement, but certainly not when it comes to driving drunk or endangering the general public.
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on May 14, 2011 16:08:16 GMT -5
Clip, I some what agree with you that Law Enforcement should have a certain amount of entitlement. Although this should come in the form of discounts, free parking, free coffee, ride the Subway for free etc. In regards to breaking any laws regardless of how minor would absolutely be hypocritical.
As far as the original scum bag, well I hope they tased him!
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Post by firstamendment on May 14, 2011 16:55:46 GMT -5
There is a certain level of respect that has been lost in the general public toward law enforcement. Part of it probably stems from entitled cops and others behaving badly. I don't know. What I do know is, behaviors like Sullivan's off duty antics, and behaviors of some cops on duty, do not help out the image of the profession in the least. I've taken a few hits on this point as well but I'll say it again. Respect is not automatic, it is earned. Simply because someone has a badge isn't an automatic qualifer for respect. Sorry, if you're a cop with a chip on their shoulder and think you can just cast off attitude, you're sorely mistaken if you think you DESERVE respect. I respect the law, period, not automatically the person claiming they are enforcing it. If I am not giving attitude I do not expect it either. Its a two way street.
In the instance of Sullivan, NYSP had a big problem on their hands. If they simply suspended him then later let him retire, they'd have a serious PR issue. The fact that it came out he was driving a NYSP issued vehicle sure as hell didn't make the situation any better either. No, they had to cut their losses and at least APPEAR they were taking a tough stance on the problem, even if it were a cop involved. It didn't have to end that way but it did, and only one person is to blame for that. I have never met the man, only some gossip I've heard about him, coupled with what we saw from that case, reaffirms what others had to say of him.
Yeah, it was pretty arrogant the way Donna D covered over her son's DWI. Underage DWI matter of factly, which is a zero tolerance issue. He could have killed the guy that was getting out of the car he hit. I am still at a loss on how the case DIDN'T end up in Utica since the hit and run happened in Utica. Seems as though that is where jurisdiction should have been. Alas, we all know Donna probably had to cash in a few chips to get home field advantage.
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Post by dgriffin on May 14, 2011 23:02:38 GMT -5
Clip, I some what agree with you that Law Enforcement should have a certain amount of entitlement. Although this should come in the form of discounts, free parking, free coffee, ride the Subway for free etc. In regards to breaking any laws regardless of how minor would absolutely be hypocritical.As far as the original scum bag, well I hope they tased him! That's a very good way to put it, Todd. |
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Post by firstamendment on May 15, 2011 7:25:51 GMT -5
Yeah I mean if you want to comp the cops a free cup of joe and a snack, cool with that. A discount, fine. Call them a token of gratitude for their dedication and sacrifice. I have no issue with the public support in this manner.
However, be careful when using that word "entitlement". A sense of entitlement means because they do their jobs they feel they deserve this, that and the other. Entitlement is precisely the problem. I would characterize it more that they deserve public support in various ways. They aren't entitled to it, but do deserve it.
And as far as those comps go, it should not, nor ever, extend to breaking the law. I'm sorry, but if you swear to protect and serve and take an oath to uphold the law, where does that give you the right to ignore any law you feel like?
BZ, I'm not naive. I realize there is the "entitled" part of our society who the laws never seem to apply equally. All I was stated was it is supposed to be equal.
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Post by firstamendment on May 15, 2011 9:42:55 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EntitlementIn a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit. In clinical psychology and psychiatry, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder, seen in those who 'because of early frustrations...arrogate to themselves the right to demand lifelong reimbursement from fate'
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Post by bobbbiez on May 15, 2011 14:13:11 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EntitlementIn a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit. In clinical psychology and psychiatry, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder, seen in those who 'because of early frustrations...arrogate to themselves the right to demand lifelong reimbursement from fate' Geez, would that include us senior-citizens too. ;D |
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Post by Clipper on May 15, 2011 15:01:31 GMT -5
The only thing that being a senior citizen entitles you to BZ is to be forgiven if you are the old lady that farts uncontrollably while pushing the cart through the grocery store. Other than that, as a senior citizen, the only other thing you are entitled to is Social Security and 10% off your bill at Denny's.
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Post by firstamendment on May 15, 2011 15:16:34 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EntitlementIn a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit. In clinical psychology and psychiatry, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder, seen in those who 'because of early frustrations...arrogate to themselves the right to demand lifelong reimbursement from fate' Geez, would that include us senior-citizens too. ;D You're entitled to AARP, ma'am! Please don't shoot me, I couldn't resist. |
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This Hall kid and his brothers are low-life scumbags. They are the ones who hang out at the corner of Andes Ave and Whitesboro St and cause nothing but grief in the whole neighborhood. If you read Andes Ave in the police blotter it usually has something to do with the Halls. They have been in and out of jail too many times to count and can be dangerous since they carry weapons. Last year I was driving by and saw this kid in a fight on the corner and he was swinging a machete at the guy he was fighting with. I immediately called the cops and parked down the road till the police came. I saw the kid throw the machete over the fence down the street and pointed that out to the police. He was arrested and was in jail for a while only to get back out too soon causing trouble again. 
