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Post by Clipper on May 11, 2011 10:55:12 GMT -5
That is an entirely different story BZ. If the husband is suspected of wrong doing it is different that simply being suspicious because he has more than one name.
If someone actually started that fire with a molotov cocktail, they will be facing four counts of homicide, premeditated if they knew there were people inside the building.
Until more facts are known, I won't implicate the father in any wrongdoing and will continue to simply sympathize with him for his loss.
In a case such as this, I am sure that if it was arson, the person will be on a track such as Bin Laden. He/she won't be able to run far enough fast enough to escape those pursuing justice for those lives lost. The local arson task force there is quite well trained and competent at what they do.
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Post by firstamendment on May 11, 2011 11:07:37 GMT -5
Given the Utica you and I know, Clipper, the arson task force has had plenty of opportunities to get experienced on that. Matter of fact, the task force had done so well that fires were down for a few years that the task force was dissolved.
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Post by firstamendment on May 11, 2011 11:11:09 GMT -5
 Have to be honest. Someone using an alias always makes me suspicious and I do question why. It's no big deal to change ones name if there is a connection to something not wanted. Just don't see it.  Typically I do share that suspicion. |
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Post by Clipper on May 11, 2011 11:29:36 GMT -5
I can't believe they would dissolve the arson task force with all the fires that still take place in vacant as well as occupied buildings. Hopefully the personnel are still around and still can be pulled together to investigate such cases on an individual basis. Arson investigation always interested me when I was a firefighter. Uncovering an arson is often the "easy" part. Catching the arsonist is the more difficult chore, and I am sure there are still plenty of trained people interested in pursuing that type of crime, to track down such an individual. You have both and effective fire chief and an extremely competent police chief. I am sure they will enlist whatever investigatory help is necessary to find the cause of this fire and to pursue anyone involved if it is proven to be arson.
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Post by firstamendment on May 11, 2011 11:42:59 GMT -5
For a few years, they did. Worked themselves right out of jobs more or less. That was how good the task force got. They just put it back together maybe 2 or 3 years ago. I'll have to see if I can find the news clippings on it.
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Post by firstamendment on May 11, 2011 11:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by Clipper on May 11, 2011 12:36:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the link and the info FA. I have to think that every city should have an arson task force available at either the local or county level. Mortgages rub against insurance policies causing combustion every day and it puts firefighters and others in danger.
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Post by firstamendment on May 11, 2011 13:50:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the link and the info FA. I have to think that every city should have an arson task force available at either the local or county level. Mortgages rub against insurance policies causing combustion every day and it puts firefighters and others in danger. I'd blame it on the tax bill before the mortgage, but same difference! |
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Post by Clipper on May 11, 2011 13:52:49 GMT -5
I have to agree with that observation for sure FA. Good point.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 14:24:20 GMT -5
It is a shame but the talk from the downtown folk is that someone did throw something into the front door. Now why was there no back to escape. I was wondering about the father or father's of the children especially no one has declared themself as being the father. How much does the grandmother know? Hopefully I will see the lady who knows about the family on Friday.
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Post by Clipper on May 11, 2011 14:34:15 GMT -5
Wasn't it said early on that the "boyfriend/father of the children" was at work when the fire started? I thought it was established that the father of the children was in the picture and living there. I could have misread the initial articles.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 15:03:43 GMT -5
This is the only thing written by the OD concerning the ' father' of the children
“We just know mommy is holding the babies, and they are in a good place right now,” said Sarah Williams, who is the aunt of Santiago’s boyfriend — Matthew Doolen, who also goes by Matthew Rolon — and the great aunt of the three boys killed in the fire.
So I guess he was the boyfriend who also went by the anme Rolon. Either way something smells fishey.
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Post by bobbbiez on May 11, 2011 19:39:52 GMT -5
I was made to understand the boyfriend/father was fishing at the time of the fire. A lot of rumors going around but are just rumors and don't need repeating until the cause is found to be solid.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 3:52:23 GMT -5
What a tradegy. But I'm wondering who owns the house, if it was inspected & whether or not there were working smoke alarms in the house.
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Post by JGRobinson on May 12, 2011 5:06:58 GMT -5
Last night, I was talking to a woman who's son was best friends with a couple of the kids. She said the house was pretty unlivable before the fire. Also said the two were married and heard there was some illegal activities in both apartments in the duplex.
One survivor, so sad...
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Have to be honest. Someone using an alias always makes me suspicious and I do question why. It's no big deal to change ones name if there is a connection to something not wanted. Just don't see it. 
