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Post by dgriffin on Mar 22, 2011 22:07:29 GMT -5
Fiskie, for many years I attended a Reformed Church and came to really like the simplicity of the architecture and lack of statues, etc. I am still fond of St. John's, Utica, but that is probably more family nostalgia than anything else. One thing I don't miss in the Catholic church is the music! Give me good old Protestant hymns (except the blood and gore numbers or the many examples from feminized Christianity.) The last time I went to folk Mass, I decided what I'd do If I Had A Hammer. See my short-short at: www.windsweptpress.com/cheated.pdf
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Post by urbanhermit on Mar 23, 2011 4:19:09 GMT -5
Fiskie, for many years I attended a Reformed Church and came to really like the simplicity of the architecture and lack of statues, etc. I am still fond of St. John's, Utica, but that is probably more family nostalgia than anything else. One thing I don't miss in the Catholic church is the music! Give me good old Protestant hymns (except the blood and gore numbers or the many examples from feminized Christianity.) The last time I went to folk Mass, I decided what I'd do If I Had A Hammer. See my short-short at: www.windsweptpress.com/cheated.pdf That was funny Dave! I'm with you on the Folk Music and folding chairs! Give me some good old fashioned Ave Maria, Panis Angelicus any day of the week! I have no right to really comment, as my attendance has been lacking the past few months, but give me grand old architecture, the St. John's Choir, Stained Glass windows, incense, and people NOT wearing shorts and flip flops as if they're at the Water Park! Just a few of my endless "pet peeves."
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 23, 2011 7:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by denise on Mar 23, 2011 8:30:46 GMT -5
Lady Oracle, I lived on Taylor Ave & went to Blessed Sacrament School in the 70's. My parents moved us to West Frankfort in '77. Some of the kids I went to school with lived on St. Jane. Know it well. Used to come down it on roller skates.
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Post by kit on Mar 23, 2011 8:42:56 GMT -5
Dave... I hope you speak with tongue-in-cheek. You may be bordering on fire and brimstone when you speak of the unwashed and steel folding chairs. One of them there unwashed people might just be your councilman, or even your mayor. ;o)
I grew up in New Hahtfudd (down at the bottom of the hill where the po' folks live) so am not as familiar with Utica as many others. But our childhoods are much the same. The original homes, churches, schools, stores and office buildings had a charm about them that was lost when they replaced them with 'modern' structures. You might be able to fool our eyes, but not our memories.
Go back a generation or two before us and think of the charm of the buildings back then. Utica experienced a great influx of new people from various countries in the mid 1800s, and with them came their traditions (including some delicious recipes) and architecture. As Fiskie pointed out, experiencing these finely constructed old buildings, and the people who built them, promotes wonderful imaginations in our minds, right down to the smells.
Sadly, the politicians and land owners of Utica never quite "got the picture" and rather than restoring a precious old building they just tore it down and either left it vacant or built a new place without the charm and craftsmanship that we remember. However, today's youth will look back and see this as "the good old days." That's progress, I guess.
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 23, 2011 10:12:16 GMT -5
Dave... I hope you speak with tongue-in-cheek. You may be bordering on fire and brimstone when you speak of the unwashed and steel folding chairs. One of them there unwashed people might just be your councilman, or even your mayor. ;o) Kit, I was speaking liturgically! Hahahaha!
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Post by urbanhermit on Mar 23, 2011 14:25:28 GMT -5
I enjoyed that Dave. I always enjoyed the Litany of the Saints. Here's a particularly good one from Pope John Paul II funeral.
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Post by urbanhermit on Mar 23, 2011 14:48:26 GMT -5
Dave... I hope you speak with tongue-in-cheek. You may be bordering on fire and brimstone when you speak of the unwashed and steel folding chairs. One of them there unwashed people might just be your councilman, or even your mayor. ;o) I grew up in New Hahtfudd (down at the bottom of the hill where the po' folks live) so am not as familiar with Utica as many others. But our childhoods are much the same. The original homes, churches, schools, stores and office buildings had a charm about them that was lost when they replaced them with 'modern' structures. You might be able to fool our eyes, but not our memories. Go back a generation or two before us and think of the charm of the buildings back then. Utica experienced a great influx of new people from various countries in the mid 1800s, and with them came their traditions (including some delicious recipes) and architecture. As Fiskie pointed out, experiencing these finely constructed old buildings, and the people who built them, promotes wonderful imaginations in our minds, right down to the smells. Sadly, the politicians and land owners of Utica never quite "got the picture" and rather than restoring a precious old building they just tore it down and either left it vacant or built a new place without the charm and craftsmanship that we remember. However, today's youth will look back and see this as "the good old days." That's progress, I guess. Actually Kit, my sister (Lady Oracle) and I grew up in NH too. We're also from the village as we lived off of Bohling Rd., not too far from St. John's Church. We're going on our recollections of our Grandparent's homes and also the fact that we both live in Utica now. I live in the house that was in my Father's family since 1920, ans my sister lives in a more "upscale" ( at least tax wise neighborhood in a unique "Cottage", just 5 streets from me. We live in the MVCC area of the city, but our parents and Grandparents lived on St. Jane and St. Agnes Ave near Blessed Sacrament Church. Anyway, back to our childhood. We grew up in the Village of NH and it was a great place to grow up with the memories of George's Store on Pearl St. etc. We really experienced both a NH/Utica upbringing, as we would take the city bus Downtown with our Mom a lot, and we were always visiting our Grandparent's in "Cornhill" I am very familiar with both places and have good memories of both, but I consider myself a "Utican" and I prefer the Village of New Hartford over the Township as far as historical architecture is concerned. The homes on Pearl Street, Hartford Terrace, Hillside Ave and Hoffman Road are among my favorites in the area.
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Post by ladyoracle on Mar 23, 2011 16:00:49 GMT -5
Kit -- as Fiskie said, we also grew up in NH. I am pretty sure that you took our senior portraits! You were THE guy to go to for your senior picture. I still very much like the village, although I chose to live in Utica when I relocated back to this area last year (to a unique "cottage" where I pay more taxes than my brother who lives 5 blocks from me in a larger house -- and who loves to bring that up!)
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Post by urbanhermit on Mar 23, 2011 16:55:14 GMT -5
Kit -- as Fiskie said, we also grew up in NH. I am pretty sure that you took our senior portraits! You were THE guy to go to for your senior picture. I still very much like the village, although I chose to live in Utica when I relocated back to this area last year (to a unique "cottage" where I pay more taxes than my brother who lives 5 blocks from me in a larger house -- and who loves to bring that up!) You're always welcome at the old homestead Lady O.! ( in fact I would welcome it!) I draw the line at moving up in to the attic like the original Fiskie though! I noticed another of my favorite brick homes on my ride over Pleasant St. (Parkway) On the corner of I believe Holland Ave and Pleasant Street #27 Pleasant St. What a nice home. Not a spectacular mansion, but just something that is eye catching. The dormers up on top look as if they could be original architecture? That small stretch on both sides between Holland and Genesee St. on both sides of the Parkway has some magnificent old homes. The large home on Genesee St. across from the McDonald's and Pin-O- Rama is up For Sale and has that unique Spanish Architecture roof on it.
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 23, 2011 17:10:10 GMT -5
I remember that house from when I rode by on my bike as a kid.
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Post by urbanhermit on Mar 23, 2011 17:16:49 GMT -5
I remember that house from when I rode by on my bike as a kid. That's it on the corner! I am always amazed by people who actually know what they're doing on a computer!
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Post by dgriffin on Mar 23, 2011 20:26:44 GMT -5
Just the Bird's Eye function on maps.bing.com.
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Post by Clipper on Mar 23, 2011 21:03:35 GMT -5
There are two fine mansions on Herkimer Road in N Utica that were associated with the original Baker's Greenhouse business. I have been inside the doors of both of them at one time or another and they are both very nice inside and out. There are also a couple of mansions on Hart's Hill in Whitesboro. Although they are not in Utica itself, they are great architectural works. I used to do carpet and upholstery cleaning for the late Harry Murray's wife (Murray Paving Company) Their's was the one closest to Hart's Hill Inn (Itself another of the mansions at one time as I have been told). The mansion that belonged to the Murray family in the 90's is cavernous on the inside. There is a HUGE boiler in the basement that I would not want to feed at today's fuel prices, a full servants quarters above the kitchen that could be home to a full family with plenty of room left over, A billiard room over the portico, 8 or 10 bedrooms, a kitchen with a separate prep room and pantry, and more bathrooms and half baths than I can even count. I loved working there. I would get a call about every two months to work for a couple of full days there, cleaning carpet with pile so deep that you sunk up to your ankles in it, and furniture with white upholstery. There was over 300 square feet of carpet in the living room alone. I can't imagine living in such a place. I can't imagine WANTING that much room for a single family.
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Post by urbanhermit on Mar 24, 2011 3:56:13 GMT -5
There are two fine mansions on Herkimer Road in N Utica that were associated with the original Baker's Greenhouse business. I have been inside the doors of both of them at one time or another and they are both very nice inside and out. There are also a couple of mansions on Hart's Hill in Whitesboro. Although they are not in Utica itself, they are great architectural works. I used to do carpet and upholstery cleaning for the late Harry Murray's wife (Murray Paving Company) Their's was the one closest to Hart's Hill Inn (Itself another of the mansions at one time as I have been told). The mansion that belonged to the Murray family in the 90's is cavernous on the inside. There is a HUGE boiler in the basement that I would not want to feed at today's fuel prices, a full servants quarters above the kitchen that could be home to a full family with plenty of room left over, A billiard room over the portico, 8 or 10 bedrooms, a kitchen with a separate prep room and pantry, and more bathrooms and half baths than I can even count. I loved working there. I would get a call about every two months to work for a couple of full days there, cleaning carpet with pile so deep that you sunk up to your ankles in it, and furniture with white upholstery. There was over 300 square feet of carpet in the living room alone. I can't imagine living in such a place. I can't imagine WANTING that much room for a single family. Having a Mansion that big, just might be the key to a successful marriage Clipper? I've seen the outside of the homes near Hart's Hill and they are huge! I'll have to take a ride this Spring over Herkimer Road, as I'm not very familiar with the North Utica area. You made me think of two old homes on Oxford Road in New Hartford. Maybe Kit can help me on this one, but I think both had tunnels for the underground railroad. One was closer to the firehouse, a white house with that familiar old architecture. I believe the Clark Family lived there for many years? The other one truly is a mansion. It's a big yellow home on the corner of Oxford Road and Winmar Crescent and for many years was owned by Dr. Bradley and his family. Growing up in a small one story ranch, I too wondered what a family could do with that much of a house? I always wanted to get a tour through that place, but never had the opportunity.
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