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Post by Clipper on Jan 8, 2011 14:11:48 GMT -5
It is a judgment call, and we each have an opinion. Unfortunately I have to make decisions after hearing from others and considering their opinion, based on my own opinion, whether it be a popular opinion, or whether all agree with it or not.
No apology forthcoming from here. It is a done deal. As I said, Ralph made the pertinent points and I took notice, as should everyone else. He IS very fair and knowledgeable in his handling of the forum.
Stoney, you above all others should know that moderating a forum or being admin on one, is not a fun job, and that you can never please everyone or make decisions that are without argument from members. We simply do the best we can.
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 8, 2011 14:13:03 GMT -5
For the record, I wasn't the one who complained, preferring to state my opinion directly on the forum. To characterize name-calling and ad hominems as opinion is disingenuous.
I wrote in my post (now deleted) that I hoped if I ever left the forum I would not be spoken about as Larry was in the deleted thread. And I phrased it that way only to make a point. Actually, if I ever leave the forum I frankly don't care what anyone says about me, except for Bz, because she bought me pizza.
I am not interested so much in the rules of the forum as I am about how other people are treated. I agree with Stoney that anyone here should be able to say what they want. After all, this is the Internet! But I also believe that when someone makes a statement about another person in public, they should be ready to identify themselves to their victim so the latter can defend himself. There are over 200 members on this forum so I consider the Steam Room a public place.
That's not to say if I call Larry a bonehead ... as he sometimes has been ... I have to state my name, address and email name. But within the structure of the forum I should not do it behind his back. If I have something to say about someone that I'm willing to say in front of 200 members then I think I should say it to the entire forum and to Larry if he is lurking so that he can respond. That's only fair and gentlemanly.
And the difference between Larry and Barack Obama is that Larry was a member, a person some of us met personally at Clipper get-togethers and also a neighbor to some. While Larry may technically be a politician, he is also a real human being.
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Post by Clipper on Jan 8, 2011 14:39:43 GMT -5
Dave, I meant to make it clear that you were not the member who complained, and that you simply commented after the fact. The member who brought the situation to my attention shall remain anonymous. There is no practical reason for them to be identified.
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Post by stoney on Jan 8, 2011 14:43:42 GMT -5
It is a judgment call, and we each have an opinion. Unfortunately I have to make decisions after hearing from others and considering their opinion, based on my own opinion, whether it be a popular opinion, or whether all agree with it or not. No apology forthcoming from here. It is a done deal. As I said, Ralph made the pertinent points and I took notice, as should everyone else. He IS very fair and knowledgeable in his handling of the forum. Stoney, you above all others should know that moderating a forum or being admin on one, is not a fun job, and that you can never please everyone or make decisions that are without argument from members. We simply do the best we can. I quite understand the dilemmas one runs into while moderating a forum, Clip. While I don't agree with your reasoning (who cares what non-members think?), I respect your decision as the Grand Poobah. ;D   |
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Post by bobbbiez on Jan 8, 2011 14:46:17 GMT -5
 Oh well, just suck this one up people. I might not agree with Clipper and Dave on all but done is done. Since we do at times cut up "pretty bad" other politicians and others in our area who we can state some are our neighbors, I feel Larry shouldn't be any different and should be able to take the heat no matter what, but now I understand it should not take place in the stream room. (Stream room? Just doesn't seem fitting that it shouldn't take place there if we have a complain about someone or a business. Maybe we ought to change title.) Just kidding.  The next time maybe it should just be moved where it belongs like y'all did for the 50's and 60's topics. Then no one will wonder why it was deleted, but it's still no big deal.  ps: Dave, you'll still get those little favors from me (in food that is.) ;D
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Post by stoney on Jan 8, 2011 15:01:08 GMT -5
Actually, the thought of being a a "Steam Room" with what's-his-name does make me kind of sick to my stomach.  What was I thinking? Oy vey... |
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Post by Clipper on Jan 8, 2011 15:09:22 GMT -5
BZ I didn't move it because it was posted where people expected their comments to remain off the open forum. No choice there. Sorry. Stoney. Thank you girl. I doubt that this will be the last time that you and I may disagree on an issue, ROFL.
Dave, the hell with pizza. Hold out for the marinated pork steaks done on the grill. You can get pizza any day.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 9, 2011 10:32:54 GMT -5
If the intent is to follow the board rules, why is there any discussion about the administration's decisions? The rules prohibit administrators from discussing it. And the decisions are final.
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Post by bobbbiez on Jan 9, 2011 14:12:44 GMT -5
Huh, just to bust them on Clipper. ;D Gosh, we don't want him to get bored and have to get him away from facebook for a while.
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Post by bobbbiez on Jan 9, 2011 15:12:44 GMT -5
Now Swimmy, you are one who always reminds us to use our Constitutional rights and it is okay to question the authority. Now, why would this be any different.  Clipper, being part of the Administration here on the Corner was just being asked a question that needed explaining, so what's wrong with that.
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Post by lioneljoe on Jan 9, 2011 15:44:47 GMT -5
I had my doubts early on with Larry. There seemed to be at least two Larrys. One posted here and the other Larry who made conflicting statements in other public media or forums. I think in the beginning he meant well but his immaturity left him ill equip to balance the various forces at work in the political world. In the end, he not only alienated people here but both political parties. I don't know if he will run for mayor, but if he does his campaign will be a short-lived spectacular failure.
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Post by Clipper on Jan 9, 2011 16:01:00 GMT -5
That pretty well sums up MY feelings also Lionel Joe although it took me much longer to see the "Two Larrys."
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 9, 2011 17:40:41 GMT -5
I'd have to also agree with lioneljoe. Well said.
Without name calling.
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Post by Swimmy on Jan 10, 2011 0:23:06 GMT -5
Now Swimmy, you are one who always reminds us to use our Constitutional rights and it is okay to question the authority. Now, why would this be any different. Clipper, being part of the Administration here on the Corner was just being asked a question that needed explaining, so what's wrong with that. 8. Discussion of Staff decisions regarding the Violations above and Enforcement Measures as described below is prohibited in the public forums. Furthermore, Staff is prohibited from discussing Violations and Enforcement Measures either in public or private with anyone except other Staff or the individual who is the subject of the Violation or Enforcement Measure. [/size][/blockquote] THAT'S why. |
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Post by bobbbiez on Jan 10, 2011 0:40:25 GMT -5
Furthermore, Staff is prohibited from discussing Violations and Enforcement Measures either in public or private with anyone except other Staff or the individual who is the subject of the Violation or Enforcement Measure. [/b][/size][/blockquote] THAT'S why. [/quote] Whoa kiddo, easy on the bold print. I do wear my glasses and can see quite well. ;D Since Clipper wants to keep the name of the person who complained anonymous (which I agree with) no one knows who it was but I believe it was not another board member or Larry. THAT'S why I questioned why it was deleted. Clipper explained all and I then understood his reasoning's. It's no big deal. |
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Oh well, just suck this one up people. I might not agree with Clipper and Dave on all but done is done. Since we do at times cut up "pretty bad" other politicians and others in our area who we can state some are our neighbors, I feel Larry shouldn't be any different and should be able to take the heat no matter what, but now I understand it should not take place in the stream room. (Stream room? Just doesn't seem fitting that it shouldn't take place there if we have a complain about someone or a business. Maybe we ought to change title.) Just kidding. 
What was I thinking? Oy vey...
