Terrorists in the US

[chris]

The Government wants to bring the terrosts of 911 to trial in NYC and they want to bring Gitmo to a fed prison in Chicago. Why would they be so insensitive to NYorkers or Americans and jeopardize our safety and security. I personally don't like this one bit.

They do not deserve special treatment. They are criminals and not citizens that we must worry about their rights.

[corner]

cause the government is run by a man named barrack hussein obama, the same guy who has stopped immigration restriction on folkls coming in with hiv tb an other communicable disease now that he has a helath care plan to care for the world...this asshole can do a lot of damage in 4 years..

[dgriffin]

And in fact, this move to try them in NY City could be nothing more than pure politics, aimed at excoriating the Bush administration.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/14/view-pending-trial-attempt-prosecute-bush-administration/

[Clipper]

Barrack Hussein Obama is taking us down a dangerous road by closing Gitmo and bringing terror trials to the federal courts here in the US.

Whatever the motive for it's original development as a military prison, Gitmo is a good place for it. It is not on our mainland, is remote and quite secure.

The people incarcerated there committed crimes against not only America, but against humanity in general. They are monsters that do their horrific deeds with no regard for innocent people. They care not what country they stage their terror in, as long as it makes a political statement against democracy and in favor of jihad.

They don't deserve the benefit of an American trial, by American standards of fairness. They deserve the same fair trial that they gave to those that they "executed" on 9-11-01. They deserve to be dropped from tall buildings, or burned in a jet fuel inferno, or crushed by debris.

They don't deserve the dignity of a "fair" trial in American court. They perpetrated a horrific act of war against the United States of America, and they should be tried in a military court as war criminals, and if found guilty, they should be executed or imprisoned for the rest of their lives AT GITMO or some other location remote from civilization and secure from escape or siege by fellow terrorists. NOT TRIED IN NY CITY AND IMPRISONED HERE IN THE CONTINENTAL US.

I also agree with former mayor Guiliani that trying them in NYC is a slap in the face of those still suffering from the trauma of the events of 9-11, and could bring further acts of terror to the city in protest of the trials.

I personally think that the tribunals should be held under military law, at a military base, and with the security the limited access and fences. They should be afforded only the boundaries of military law, not US civilian law. They are war criminals, not US citizens. They don't deserve the protections of the very democratic principles that they abhor and strike out against.

Make them happy little muslims and let them be tried under muslim principles. If ya did it, ya die. Hang on Allah here they come. Percieved by some as martyrs, but by most as scumbags and monsters.

[corner]

frankly im all for shooting the bastards without a trial

[bobbbiez]

I would be very interested in hearing what the majority of the families of the 9/11 victims would want concerning this issues.

Speaking for myself, if I were a family member I would want them tried right in front of me.

[Clipper]

That would be fine Sunshine. All you should have to do is jump a plane to the site of their trial. Personally I don't think that American soil should ever be soiled by their feet, nor soiled by their burial on American soil. Americans that lost friends and family in the attacks or survived the attacks themselves.

None of them deserve to be tried here. If any one of them is acquitted by a legal technicality and turned loose on society to re-offend, Barrack Obama himself should stand trial for his part in exposing the USA to their terrorism.

Most are deeply enough implicated to be justifiably tried. Those that aren't, and are not substantially implicated by hard evidence can be released just as well by a military tribunal somewhere besides NY City.

Obama has no compassion for those that suffered on that day. He is simply so politically motivated that he wants to bring it all home to us once again, so he can slam Guiliani and Bush with a symbolic slap to their faces.

The man obviously either doesn't have a clue as to what the majority of Americans would want, or just plain doesn't give a damn what they think.

[Swimmy]

I thought I read somewhere that most of the terrorists interrogated at Gitmo turned out to be nothing more than unfortunate souls caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In any case, while I don't disagree with corner about simply shooting the bastards and solving all problems related to them, I think it is absolutely critical that we - a defender of freedom and democracy - stick to our principles. We should try the bastards in Gitmo for a death penalty.

[bobbbiez]

Clipper, how do we know the majority of Americans don't want them tried here? The article states "some critics" are against the trials here and seem to be more worried about the trials blemishing former President Bush's administration.

[bobbbiez]

Swimmy, you're the lawyer so answer me this......NYS does have the death penalty, so if found guilty can these men be sentence to death?

[dgriffin]

I was wondering about the Go Team that sets out from Albany every time a DA seeks the death penalty in a case to work on behalf of the defendant. And of course, that discourages the DA from seeking the death penalty. Will Albany send a team for these guys?

I think a danger here if the case is lost through a technicality is not just missing the opportunity to punish the bad guys, but showing the world our system is weak and ineffective in dealing with criminals. (And maybe it is.)

At any rate, it wouldn't take much to convince me that the Democrats have risked justice in regard to 911 just to score points against the Republicans in the person of George Bush. There are people who really hate the guy.

[clarencebunsen]

I believe they will be tried in federal court, so NYS laws, penalties & DAs woun't be involved.

[Swimmy]

I was not aware that NYS still had a death penalty. I thought it sunset a few years ago and the legislature failed to act on it in time.

Anyway, I think clarence is right: if they are tried, it would be in federal court on federal charges. Any acquittals or dismissals on technicalities would possibly allow for the state to jump in and prosecute with its own charges.

Everything the democrats have done since 2000 has one purpose ONLY: to discredit President Bush. EVERYTHING! Even today, pelosi - who has been in office since 2006 - blames the former administration for the country's woes. I don't disagree that the former administration had its faults. But lets remember, Congress was under democrat control in 2006, and they had a worse approval rating than the President.

We have seen them sacrifice national security routinely for the sole purpose of discrediting President Bush. I almost wish the north korean missile tests were capable and did hit the continental us, if no reason other than to prove obama's disdain for the military and to prove to the country that democrats hurt this nation, not help it.

[dgriffin]

Swimmy, you're right, New York State's death penalty law was found unconstitutional in 2004. (How soon we forget!) And I was thinking of the New York Capital Defender's Office, a state-financed legal office that defended those facing capital punishment. The office was also instrumental in the State Court of Appeals finding the application of NY State's death penalty statute unconstitutional due to the "deadlock" provision, where prosecutors intended the deadlock provision to encourage jurors to make the difficult choice between life without parole and death when it was presented to them in capital cases. The fear was a defendant might go free someday if the jury did not reach a verdict.
wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5052

The court left open an avenue for the state legislature to revise the current law that was found unconstitutional, but so far the lawmakers have not done so.

Here's a FAQ from the Anti forces:
www.nyadp.org/main/nyfaq.html

You and CB raise an interesting point about a New York jury finding a perp guilty in a federal case and approving the death penalty when the state constitution does not allow it.

[corner]

no good can come of this... this appears to be just an opprtunity directed by obama to deflect critcism away from himself and back to the bush administration...once again he is out of the country when he should be at home making some sort of decision on afghanastan....it seems whenever key decisions need to be made he is out galavanting on airforce one....i am hearing more people everyday who voted for him wishing they didnt