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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 29, 2009 20:34:20 GMT -5
Why?
Gear, you ask me why I am happy it was passed. Well, I think that's a question you should ask of the parents whose children were victims of a hate-crime and who fought to get this bill passed.
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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 29, 2009 20:43:22 GMT -5
Er..no. If Clipper attacked Dave because of his national origin he could be charged with a federal crime with a jail term of up to ten years.
The bill makes constitutionally protected speech ("I hate Irishmen!") into a class of evidence suitable for proving the commission of a federal crime. If a prosecutor can demonstrate that Clipper, at any time, said he hated Irishmen, and then attacked someone because he believed they were of Irish extraction, he's met the standard of evidence and Clipper is looking at time in the federal pen.
Gear, at the urging of Republicans the bill was changed before it was passed in Congress to strengthen free speech protections to assure that a religious leader or any other person cannot be prosecuted on the basis of his or her speech, beliefs or association.
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Post by Clipper on Oct 30, 2009 0:33:20 GMT -5
I guess gski that only a polack will be able to tell polack jokes. My darling Kathy, the polack princess will still be able to tell them but I will be jailed the next time I call her a polack.
Hmmm. I wonder if blonde's fall into that category and if it is a crime to tell someone that they are having a blonde moment.
Oh heck. I will be in double jeopardy when I pick on Bobbbiez, the little blonde Polish girl. I may get life without parole for what her and I exchange on here, but then again, she won't be able to pick on Canucks anymore either.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Oct 30, 2009 2:33:18 GMT -5
I wonder if the requirement of "interfering with a federally protected right" is still valid, and necessary for federal prosecution. Nope. The limitation is now based on the commerce clause. Driving to the scene of the crime on a public road is enough to trigger federal intervention. |
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Oct 30, 2009 2:45:09 GMT -5
Gear, you ask me why I am happy it was passed. Well, I think that's a question you should ask of the parents whose children were victims of a hate-crime and who fought to get this bill passed. You mean the parents and families of Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. , the victims the law is named after? The perpetrators of those horrific crimes are all serving long and well-deserved prison sentences imposed without any need of federal intervention. So I'll ask again- why exactly do we need a massive expansion of federal power? Or are good intentions justification enough? |
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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 30, 2009 11:47:43 GMT -5
 Maybe because a lot of states do not do the proper investigations when it comes to a crime which can be constituted as a hate crime. You mentioned the families of Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. who were hate crime victims and whose families fought to get this bill passed, but I assure you there are many other families who have also suffered deeply because of hate crimes. We, the public, just don't hear about them all. Can you honestly tell me that in this whole area there was never a hate crime? I have never heard of one in my 65 yrs but I'm sure they have taken place but not prosecuted as such. No harm in this bill and can only see good coming out of it. 
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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 30, 2009 11:53:37 GMT -5
Clipper, don't fret. This bill does protect your constitutional right of freedom of speech.........................I can still call you a "DUMB CANUCK." ;D
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Post by Clipper on Oct 30, 2009 11:58:36 GMT -5
I'm happy for you darlin, and happy for RJ. If it weren't for me, HE would have to take ALL the abuse, hahaha.  |
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Post by bobbbiez on Oct 30, 2009 16:09:57 GMT -5
That's no reason for me to ease up on the other canuck here at home. He still gets all I have to give. ;D
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Post by Clipper on Oct 30, 2009 22:17:03 GMT -5
;D
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Maybe because a lot of states do not do the proper investigations when it comes to a crime which can be constituted as a hate crime. 
