Spitzer looks to expand state's DNA databank to al

[Swimmy]

Spitzer looks to expand state's DNA databank to all misdemeanors


Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Big Brother!!

[jduges]

Things get scary but if you're convicted of a misdemeanor, I have no problem with this. As with many of my other comments the line by Jim Carrey to his client in the movie Liar, liar rings true.

His client calls asking for legal advice, and Carrey's character cannot tell a lie, so he grabs the phone and yells "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASS-HOLE!"

Don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about. Break it and this is just another deterrent or wrinkle.

I do fear that this could start that slippery slope we talk a lot about. Violations, I say no....Misdemeanors, I say sure why not.

[jduges]

This thread of DNA was found on the OD forums.



It was extracted from a deleted post from a one S. W. Immy. He is now in the database and is not allowed to web surf within 1500 feet of a forum allowing posters under 18 years of age.

he is classified as a level 2 post offender. He has lost his right to bear jpg files as well as his ability to start new threads. It is recommended that he register with the official National Post Offender Registry and is hereby required to notify within 7 days, in writting, of moving to any new forum. Failure to do so will result in removal of said forums until Mr. Immy completes a grammar and posting ettiquette course taugh by a one Francis Perritano, OD Moderator.

[jduges]

Is that what you fear swimmy? I know it haunts my dreams every night.

[Swimmy]

You could not have been closer to my fears. LOL

[losjibaros]

um... how can your dna get on a message board? i can see how it could get on your lcd screen.. but not on the actual internet...

[Clipper]

You two crack me up.

Where was that course when I was ranting and raving and making an ass of myself on the OD forum?

I may still rant and rave and make an ass of myself, but I will try not to make an ass of anyone else, haha.

Fran may have time soon to teach that course. The OD forum isn't doing to much today. I hate to see it, but I guess it is just a fact of life, that if you can't take advice, you will fail to satisfy and may lose supporters.

I wonder what their next attempt will look like. I can't imagine a newspaper without a forum for commenting on stories, if they have a webpage.

Maybe they will hire a board of Jduges, Ralph, Los Jibaros and some others from our board.Haha.

AS for DNA, I have to think if it saves the life of one abducted or abused child, or convicts one rapist or murderer, it is not that big of an intrusion on personal space to retrieve and save a drop of spit or a piece of hair. Anyone arrested should not feel abused or imposed upon to provide such samples. It is actually no different than being fingerprinted.

[concerned]

I have always wondered when a doctor orders a blood test for someone what would prevent the lab from using some of that sample for a DNA screen of that individual. I wonder if something like this already exists in terms of all the various laws within the Homeland Security Act. With all the tension that exists with preventing another tragedy in this country something like this I think would be of benifit of protecting the homeland. Just how much does the governments control our lives in the name of homeland security?

[thelma]

I believe the majority of us are in agreement that if you commit a crime that ranges from a Misdemeanor to a Felony, then "donating" your DNA should also be required.

For those that obey all the laws and never get arrested, this would not affect us one bit. BUT, if it helps in finding the criminal that has harmed a child by the use of using this DNA data bank, I'm all for the passing of this law.

[Swimmy]

For felonies, ok. A felon is considered less of a citizen and forfeits several rights after a second offense in NY within 10 yrs from their first felony conviction. I have no problem with that. But what good is collecting DNA from a stupid teenager caught possessing marijuana, a misdemeanor, I think?

So we allow this of criminals. Fine. Flash forward 10 years and now big brother wants to include all those guilty of traffic violations. Sure, those complying with the law still have nothing to worry about and won't be affected. Ten years later, big brother is processing DNA from people audited by the IRS. Sure, those who comply with the laws and are completely honest, or lucky enough not to be audited have nothing to worry about. Ten more years and now they want DNA from people who are consistently late in their credit card payments. Yes, those who obey the laws, file proper taxes, are lucky not to be audited, and pay their credit bills on time are worry free. Ten more years and now the government wants to collect DNA from everyone! Not because we're all going to break the law, untimely pay our bills, be audited by the IRS, but you never know who will do what.

As a further consequence of this, if your dna now determines what you can do. Those whose ancestry has a criminal past will be placed in prisons automatically. Those whose lineage has a history of being a factory worker will no longer be allowed to enroll in college, they'll be placed in a factory immediately upon turning 16.

You do realize the FBI is planning on expanding its biometrics database to all citizens. I think that's what I read on Yahoo! the other day.

[rrogers40]

People already are giving up (willingly) their finger prints- which are far more useful in identification than DNA.

[frankcor]

I'm certain some are more willing than others. I gave up my finger prints when I enlisted in the Army. Willing might be too strong a word for some of the guests at OCJ

[concerned]

DNA is now known to hold the key to many of the wuestions we have unanswered today. An elaborative proceedure is not needed in order to collect a persons body cells that could thus be treated to extract sufficient DNA for any analysis. When an interview between a possible criminal and a police authority is conducted all it take is for the individual to be givena glass of water to drink. Sufficient cells will line the drinking vessel to collect Dna. We need a DNA base. It can be used to find all the questions we may have in terms of those who break the law. I also think that everyone should have a microchip implanted that would contain all information about that individual as needed, not to much unlike the magnetic strip on the back of our credit cards or the trail we leave behind when we use our computers over the internet. Society needs to be one step ahead of its potential criminals.

[Swimmy]

They have already been testing that with some patients. I remember about 8 or 9 years ago, Hugh Downs and Barbara Walters ran a story about a project that implanted a small chip into a patient's forearm that provided their entire medical records that could be read by a laser that you would see at a checkout line. The chip could receive updates, etc.

That concept scares me because of all the abuses that can so easily arise from it. Location chips, ID chips.

[thelma]

Swimmy - I believe you are worrying about procedures that are NOT in place or even authorized by current laws. I agree that some of these procedures are invadesive -but- let's wait until they try passing these types of laws before we start screaming.