On Genesee Hill, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

[dgriffin]

Fiona, if you mean the sign on the lawn of the house, I can't read it. When magnified, it is too blurry to make out the message or name. You should use Google Maps Streetview to see this stuff. Here's the Bing Birdseye aerial.

[Clipper]

Well, when we returned from Arizona in the 50's we lived with my grandparents, and then in an apartment on Westmoreland St. while waiting for a house to be built. I went to Whitesboro schools for my freshman year of high school, and walked those streets. I haven't spent a lot of time in Whitesboro in late years and normally travel on the "truck route." when I am there.

[fiona]

Those are big houses. Something in my gut tells me it's the brick house nextdoor. The house would have to have been built long before 1870. I will try to find out when he (Fortune White) lived in Whitesboro. I will e mail Linda Pugh today. She did tell me that the street numbers have changed over the years, which is understandable.

[dgriffin]

[fiona]

Dave: Sarah looks beautifil in her light rose colored sateen gown with jewel neckline and ruched sleeves. I think John will fall in love with her all over again.( Not that he had ever forgotten her to begin with). I think this dress would look beautiful with emeralds. Hmmmmm? I wonder if Aunt Julia just might have a set ( necklace and earrings) she is willing to part with?

[dgriffin]

I keep seeing this as film, for some reason. At any rate, I'm taken with Gregorio Allegri's Miserere and hear it when Billy Foley watches the Flats burn as people try to descend from the balconies. We hear it again as Mary lies waiting for her angel.

[fiona]

Dave: The more I look at these maps, the more beautiful they are!

[fiona]

Dave: (Mr. Producer) the music is beautiful, especially the Adoration. A dedication to Mr. Nobel Hopkins, perhaps. I like this better than Titanic, which I found lovley, but quite atonal. When I saw that movie I compared the music to the Valkaries crying from the rocks. No one I was with knew what I was talking about. As you know, March 3rd is coming up. Every year I plan a quiet day. It's like the day they put the Sillery and the Rose on Poe's grave, only this year the mystery person didn't show up. After 60 straight years, they are most likley unable or deceased. Do you want to plan a posted tribute?

[fiona]

Dave, Jon or Clip: can you help me determine which bridge crossed the Erie Canal while coming in from Whitesboro St? I have studied these maps and am currently reading Vignettes of Old Utica, but I'm still not clear on it. I want to wrap this part of the story up. thanks, Fiona

[jon hynes]

Feb 2, 2010 12:51:32 GMT -5 fiona said:

Dave, Jon or Clip: can you help me determine which bridge crossed the Erie Canal while coming in from Whitesboro St? I have studied these maps and am currently reading Vignettes of Old Utica, but I'm still not clear on it. I want to wrap this part of the story up. thanks, Fiona

It looks to me that there were wide bridges on Hotel and Seneca Streets, and a slightly narrower bridge at Washington Street. The other streets look as if they were only narrow foot bridges.

[fiona]

Yes, looking at the maps that may be so, however, a carriage or wagon coming down Whitesboro St has to cross the canal at the junction of Cornelia and the Chenango canal- what was left of it in the mid 1870's. From these maps it looks as if this is so. Correct or not?

[fiona]

Thank you, Clip, for the kind words, but- I think I made a mistake on the Cuban cigars. Is there any way to edit it?

[fiona]

Anybody want to take a gander as to what might be happening on the bridge? (post here,OK?)

[dgriffin]

Fiona, it's tough to find a map of Utica Streets any wider than the city itself. Here's the 1838 map, followed by the 1825 map for clarity. If you look closely, you'll see bridges on some streets, drawn narrowed. These two maps are followed by a typical bridge crossing. It's labeled "Hotel St.," but I don't know if the view is of the Hotel St. bridge or from Hotel St. of, for example, the Washington St. Bridge.










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[dgriffin]

In any event, after entering Utica proper the Victoria would have crossed the bridge near the intersection of the Erie and Chenango canals. Which can be seen best in this map view from 1883. Cllick on the map to enlarge.




Here's a shot of a canal bridge in Syracuse, but the specifications would have been the same up and down the length of the canal.


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I've found a number of canal pictures and will post them in the future.