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Post by dgriffin on Apr 11, 2009 6:27:35 GMT -5
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Post by frankcor on Apr 11, 2009 7:08:03 GMT -5
I'm encouraged that there might be a middle-of-the-road option. I've been thinking the only choice would be socialized medicine.
I like the compromise plan that gets employers out of the loop (improves job security) and mandates each consumer to shop for their own health insurance. Competition is our friend.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 11, 2009 10:30:45 GMT -5
 Frankie, I have some friends who live in Canada and they praise socialized medicine. I have brought out the fact that their quality of physicians can't be too high but they defend the program and are very satisfied with their doctors and procedures.  Maybe that is the way to go. If it works for them, why can't it work here in the States? I'm all for trying something new, especially since I pay through the nose for my medical. Being on a fixed income that isn't easy for me, but being older now and the body isn't what it use to be, having good medical coverage is a must. 
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 11, 2009 12:50:25 GMT -5
Everyone in Canada who is still above ground loves their health insurance system.
Only kidding. I've heard both pros and cons from Canadians. I do hear a lot of them come over here for procedures they can afford, rather than wait many months in Canada.
Well, Frank, that's the question: will such a health care plan actually reduce expenses through competition. I hear that a lot, but I haven't heard much about how competition from individuals purchasing health insurance will be greater than companies doing the same now. Actually, the company I retired from is self-insured, and they still can't keep the premiums reasonable.
Doctors and hospitals already feel like they're getting screwed and won't be lowering their fees soon.
I need a little help figuring this out. How will competition lower health care costs? And do we know if competition lowered the cost of MediGap insurance? It's hard to tell, but it doesn't feel like it.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 11, 2009 13:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 11, 2009 16:35:05 GMT -5
Bobbbiez, you should get a new Avatar. When you finally get your foot fixed, you probably won't want to shoot anyone, so you'll be able to give up the gun. I figure. How about this? I call it, "Put me in, Coach!"  |
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Post by clarencebunsen on Apr 11, 2009 17:03:24 GMT -5
"Got a beat-up glove, a homemade bat, and brand-new pair of shoes; You know I think it's time to give this game a ride." - John Fogerty
While driving my son's car today, CCR was in the CD palyer. Upon investigation, approximately half the CD's in the car were mine. At least my grandkids are listening to something better than the gangsta rap to which he formerly listened.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Apr 11, 2009 17:10:34 GMT -5
Well, beat the drum and hold the phone - the sun came out today!
We're born again, there's new grass on the field.
A-roundin' third, and headed for home, it's a brown-eyed handsome man;
Anyone can understand the way I feel.
Oh, put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Look at me, I can be Centerfield.
Well, I spent some time in the Mudville Nine, watchin' it from the bench;
You know I took some lumps when the Mighty Casey struck out.
So Say Hey Willie, tell Ty Cobb and Joe DiMaggio;
Don't say "it ain't so", you know the time is now.
Oh, put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Look at me, I can be Centerfield.
Yeah! I got it, I got it!
Got a beat-up glove, a homemade bat, and brand-new pair of shoes;
You know I think it's time to give this game a ride.
Just to hit the ball and touch 'em all - a moment in the sun;
(pop) It's gone and you can tell that one goodbye!
Oh, put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Look at me, I can be Centerfield.
Oh, put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Look at me, I can be Centerfield.
Yeah!
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 11, 2009 17:50:39 GMT -5
Yepper, every boy's dream and in my case being the tom-boy I was, my dream also. ;D Clarencebunser, thanks for sharing that with us.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Apr 11, 2009 19:21:44 GMT -5
But after the sun goes down & a couple glasses of wine go down you need to follow Fogarty with Springsteen:
I had a friend was a big baseball player
back in high school
He could throw that speedball by you
Make you look like a fool boy
Saw him the other night at this roadside bar
I was walking in, he was walking out
We went back inside sat down had a few drinks
but all he kept talking about was
Chorus:
Glory days well they'll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days
Well there's a girl that lives up the block
back in school she could turn all the boy's heads
Sometimes on a Friday I'll stop by
and have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed
Her and her husband Bobby well they split up
I guess it's two years gone by now
We just sit around talking about the old times,
she says when she feels like crying
she starts laughing thinking about
Chorus
Now I think I'm going down to the well tonight
and I'm going to drink till I get my fill
And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it
but I probably will
Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture
a little of the glory of, well time slips away
and leaves you with nothing mister but
boring stories of glory days
Chorus (repeat twice)
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Post by dgriffin on Apr 11, 2009 20:40:18 GMT -5
Early one spring morning (9 o'clock) when my kids were teenagers and would be abed most weekend mornings till whenever, I put "Centerfield" on the stero at the foot of the stairs, turned the volume all the way up and left the house to go down to the garden. I could hear the signature rat-a-tat all the way there. Didn't take long for someone to get up and turn it off. They still speak of it.
CCR was an interesting group. Even for the time, the band's music was rather primitive in its execution. They often sounded like a garage band. But though the sound was not very unique, and certainly not like Specter's "wall of sound," everything else was special, from the lyrics (sometimes) to the execution.
I heard Fogarty interviewed on the radio a year or so ago. The nice NPR lady asked him the significance of his pronouncing burning and churning as "boining and choining" in Proud Mary.
"You kidding?" he asked. "I don't know, it just sounded right."
Sheer genius.
Turn your PC speakers up and click on this:
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Post by frankcor on Apr 12, 2009 1:42:16 GMT -5
I listened to a report comparing survival rates for various cancers and other ailments between the US and European nations and Canada. I'm not willing to "try something different" that will dramatically decrease my risk of surviving.
The U.S. taxpayer has paid for the defense of Europe for a half-century and they have used the savings to socialize their health care system at the cost of their own survivability. Tell me again why that was a good idea?
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 12, 2009 10:38:10 GMT -5
Frankie, I asked you first. ;D Really don't know if it would be better for us here in the States so I left it up to you, my hero, to inform me. The only thing negative my friends in Canada said about their health care was that sometimes they have to wait for a procedure longer then us here. I personally know very little about socialized medicine but would like to hear the pros and cons on it. So, do what you do best and give me what you know and feel about it. Really am very confused about it.
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Post by Clipper on Apr 12, 2009 10:46:36 GMT -5
That is one drawback to the system, that I don't care to contend with. If I am having a heart problem, I don't want to be put on a schedule for a catheterization, two months down the road. I want to be seen, treated, and KEPT ALIVE.
Canadians praise socialized medicine because they have no choice. They don't know any better. I will be content to pay whatever outrageous price we have to pay, for being able to go to a doctor when I am sick, and for getting the proper treatment in an expedient manner. I don't want my kids saying, "Dad was going to the doctor's for those chest pains next Monday. It's too bad he croaked before he could get there!"
While socialized medicine has it's pros and cons, my cousins in Canada, always envied our medical programs, and our health insurance coverage here. Much quicker treatment, and better care.
Free doesn't always mean good.
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Post by bobbbiez on Apr 12, 2009 11:03:49 GMT -5
Clipper, I don't know about us having quicker treatment and better care here in the States. Lately, there have been some horror stories about our doctors and hospitals here.  A few in my family and circle of friends have had some pretty bad problems because of the lack of quick attention by their doctors and treatment at St. Luke's Hospital. Many in this area are complaining about the medical here in this area and are seeking medical attention in other areas.  Does leave one wondering just how good our medical care here really is.
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Frankie, I have some friends who live in Canada and they praise socialized medicine. I have brought out the fact that their quality of physicians can't be too high but they defend the program and are very satisfied with their doctors and procedures. 
