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Post by corner on Jul 10, 2009 19:00:40 GMT -5
well said warcup
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Post by Clipper on Jul 10, 2009 20:46:11 GMT -5
VERY well said my friend. I will drop you a PM in the next day or so when we have our plans for the trip finalized, so I can insure that I get together with ya one way or the other this trip. Have a good night and be safe.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Aug 4, 2009 15:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Aug 6, 2009 0:03:50 GMT -5
This video clearly shows his arrogance and his above the law attitude. I do wonder if the vehicle is a State vehicle. I would love to see the rest of the video. It is so lame for his lawyer to state he left to avoid conflict. Nobody wants to be involved in a conflict with a Police Officer during a traffic stop, but only a cop could get away with driving off. It's so hard to respect a man like this or to tell our kids to respect the police and then they watch garbage like this on the news.  |
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Post by dgriffin on Aug 6, 2009 8:33:38 GMT -5
I found the comments on the OD web site following the video as interesting as the video.
I think Sullivan was really surprised he was being pulled over by a cop who knew him. Sorry, folks, but this does not happen among the brotherhood. I would imagine that, no matter how other cops feel about Sullivan, Olney is now dogsh*t among his peers. You can call it unfair, you can say it's preferential treatment that you and I wouldn't receive, and you'd be right. But in the end, cops don't arrest other cops for DWI unless they have to. Sullivan wasn't even staggering or slurring his words, despite his BAC. Since viewing the (redacted) tape, you can count me a closet Sullivan supporter, even though I am most definitely against drinking and driving. Within the system Sullivan lives in, he got screwed.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Aug 7, 2009 1:39:11 GMT -5
Sorry, folks, but this does not happen among the brotherhood. And right there you have the reason corruption is rampant in our system. It's just easier to go along to get along. On the bright side, the comments from law enforcement provide a valuable insight into just what they think of regular citizens. The phrase "Reap the whirlwind" comes to mind. |
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Post by dgriffin on Aug 7, 2009 8:50:11 GMT -5
Sorry, folks, but this does not happen among the brotherhood. On the bright side, the comments from law enforcement provide a valuable insight into just what they think of regular citizens. The phrase "Reap the whirlwind" comes to mind. I'd say it's a matter of misuse of power. The police have the power to arrest or ignore, and they're known to give each other a break. A practice that's unfair, yes. Dangerous, probably, and ignored by higher-ups. Corrupt? Corruption involves lots of power and money, mainly the latter. If there were no money involved in government, the "halls of the people" would be as clean as a nunnery. I'm taking an inside view of this, from the perspective of the officers involved. I am more drawn to this part of the drama, because the actual event ... the arrest of a man for driving home after a night of drinking beer ... is ridiculously commonplace. As well, two cops dick-waving and one driving away while the other threatens arrest, surely happens more often than we know. But what's really surprising and compelling is Olney pursuing Sullivan to his home. Here's the most interesting part, coming up. Why did S.P. HQ back up Olney? Because he was right? That's a laugh. Ordinarily, I'd imagine Olney would have been told to put it back in his pants. But he wasn't. Why? |
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Aug 7, 2009 18:25:34 GMT -5
I'd say it's a matter of misuse of power. The police have the power to arrest or ignore, and they're known to give each other a break. A practice that's unfair, yes. Dangerous, probably, and ignored by higher-ups. Corrupt? Corruption involves lots of power and money, mainly the latter. If there were no money involved in government, the "halls of the people" would be as clean as a nunnery. I was trying to say that the concept of a "brotherhood" that deserves special treatment is what causes corruption. Cops won't arrest cops, legislators won't investigate legislators, etc. It's the worst form of tribalism run amok. If the good people won't do anything to stop the bad do they really have any claim to being "good"? I think the answer might have to do with whether Sullivan was driving a state vehicle. |
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 14, 2009 15:25:58 GMT -5
Sullivan pled down to DWAI today in court, a plea bargain offered by D.A. No jail, but fines and 90 suspension of drivers' license. Since it was learned his pay was re-instated on September 3, it's not clear if there has been an SP hearing. All per WKTV, so ... www.wktv.com/news/local/59233932.html |
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Post by fiona on Sept 17, 2009 16:22:20 GMT -5
O' my God! The Irish are at it again! We must surely be one big family now!!! A funny story: A true Irish wake in East Utica in 1953: I was 4 years old: The corpse was reclining in the parlour, the paid mourners had come and gone, the keening was over; let the party begin. I was 4 years old. The table was loaded with food. Mince meat pies, pumpkin pies, bottles of whiskey at the ready. We kids waited in the background for what was coming next. Someone came in with a fiddel, someone brought the spoons, another an accordian. I knew the Uncles hated each other. My mother came to me, knelt down and whispered " Child, when the bottles start flying, get under the table." The uncles fought down their way down the stairs to the street, they battled their way to the halfway house, they carried my old granfar back up the stairs about two hours later. The punishment was that the uncles, for disrupting the funeral, had to carry Grandfar in an old arm chair down Bleeker Street as far as they could during the next St. Pat's Parade and... my grandmother made them wear a potato strapped to their heads! I know! I was there and saw it. We still talk about it, though the story has morphed some over the years, it has entered the area of "personal myth" And that's how you know you are family!
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 17, 2009 21:20:05 GMT -5
Wow! I guess we were quieter drunks.  |
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Post by Clipper on Sept 19, 2009 15:31:50 GMT -5
I actually think that the firing came down to the fact that he was driving a state vehicle at the time of his arrest. He was guilty of the charges he faced, and was punished by the court, who probably knew the outcome of the state police personnel action before Sullivan even knew.
I could see his being fired, but there should have been some measure in place to allow him to finish out his two months and resign in shame with his retirement. I am surprised that Aney was not able to keep the case going while Sullivan got in his last couple of months for retirement while on paid suspension.
I know many (it seems most) disagree, but 19 1/2 years of service is way too much to take away for one night of extremely bad judgment driven by a personality conflict with Olney. I am just glad that it is over and done with, and people can quit beating the drums of self righteousness.
I find it hard to believe that this case has drawn such indignant response, while Carl Barcombe was given probation for KILLING his sister in-law under the influence of pot. I DO think Oneida County needs a different DA that is not influenced as much by money and social status of the defendants.
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 19, 2009 17:27:16 GMT -5
Let's hope Sullivan has enough friends in the business to find a police department willing to hire him for a few months so he'll have 20 years and can claim his retirement.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 19, 2009 20:28:06 GMT -5
I would hope so Dave, and if he does have a problem with alcohol, I would hope he realizes it and finds some help. I kept the pot stirred all day today on the OD forums with Nana and the nitwits,  and made lots of new friends, haha. My favorite thing to do when bored. Go to the OD page and stir up the masses with the big paddle, hahaha. Amazing how riled they can get over there. NOTHING like clippers corner. Those people are far from civil, hahaha.   The pleasure of rattling their cages is damn near orgasmic, haha. Ya know I really WOULD like to know how that Barcombe guy from Old Forge got off with probation after killing his sister in-law. That is plain old negligent homicide anyway you cut it. They were ready to hang that young boy from Barneveld by the cayunes and he turned out to be innocent. Now Barcombe admits guilt, and is let off with probation even though he was high on pot. He probably worked out a plea deal to provide the DA with a nickel bag every day for strictly personal recreational use. |
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 19, 2009 21:47:16 GMT -5
Well, you never know. There may have been factors we don't know about. I suppose that's what the DA is paid to figure out. And his constituency can vote him out if they don't like his conclusions.
You do realize, I hope, that at the OD forums and on Topix, you're probably arguing mostly with 14 year olds. Anyone who is beyond 21 and whose mind has progressed no farther than some of the Topix commenters would have been arrested by now. They don't allow inmates on the Internet, do they? Hahahaha!
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and made lots of new friends, haha. My favorite thing to do when bored. Go to the OD page and stir up the masses with the big paddle, hahaha. Amazing how riled they can get over there. NOTHING like clippers corner. Those people are far from civil, hahaha. 
The pleasure of rattling their cages is damn near orgasmic, haha.