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Post by Swimmy on Jun 12, 2009 13:52:41 GMT -5
You're right, we aren't going to agree. I will always maintain that by letting him leave the scene of a traffic stop and waiting 3 hours before he voluntarily surrendered was more special treatment than any of use would get for something as serious as a DWI stop. I don't guarantee much, but I will guarantee that if you or I tried the same thing, all hell would break lose!
By nature of my profession, I'm held to a higher standard of conduct. It's no longer cool for me to go out and get drunk to the point that I'm falling over myself (not that I ever did, well except for my 21st birthday). I'm expected to think before I act. The stupid thing was driving while intoxicated. The part where he expected and received special treatment (thereby abusing his power as a police officer) was when he drove away and waited 3 hours before voluntarily surrendering himself. I know I'm not perfect and do stupid things all the time. But I don't use my status as an attorney to gain an unfair advantage that I would not otherwise be granted. If it was me, I would never have gotten behind the wheel. But assuming I was stupid and did so, I would NEVER leave the scene of a traffic incident. And where my family or friends would be involved, I would drag them to police headquarters the second I found out what they did.
I was not expecting him to be riddled with bullets. But I was expecting him to stay at the traffic stop and man-up to his mistake. You know how hard it was for me to convince my father to ignore this behavior because he would not get away with leaving a traffic stop? My father still insists that the next time he is pulled over, he will leave the traffic stop and go home. Guess what he'll be charged with? Failure to cooperate with a police investigation, leaving the scene, resisting arrest, and a litany of other charges.
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Post by Clipper on Jun 12, 2009 14:19:59 GMT -5
Hopefully when it is all out in the open, the history between Sullivan and Olney will be made public also. I understand that there is a real testy dislike for each other, and Olney is an arrogant little punk too. I always thought Olney to be okay, but I had not seen him in quite some time and I guess he has a undesireable attitude also.
Hell Swimmy, if your dad ends up in the can because of my postings I will go the bail, haha. I just hope he doesn't get tazed. They say that it is a "revolting" development.
Gee swimmer, you can still go out and get falling down drunk. Just have a little class, and if you drink too much, turn away from the bar to puke in your pocket. It is very unprofessional to barf on the other customers. I know what I am talking about because I was once a PROFESSIONAL DRINKER, LOL.
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Post by Clipper on Jun 15, 2009 20:33:27 GMT -5
The OD is carrying a story about the validity of a search of a drug suspect's home by the CNET task force. the case is being forwarded to the federal courts in Syracuse, due to the fact that Investigator Matt Sullivan was involved in the search of the alleged suspect's home.
The DA notes that he is prosecuting two cases involving State Police Officers as the reason for his passing the case to the feds.
Does anyone still believe at this point that Sullivan will have his wrist slapped and that this will be swept under the rug?
I think when it is all over, with or without the public outrage, the state police are going to categorize him in the same way they do the trooper that falsified the evidence several years ago in the case near Cortland and caused a stir that could end in hundreds of cases and convictions being tossed.
When a trooper brings bad pubicity and distrust to the department, I don't think that they ever are allowed to escape with a slap on the wrist. Sullivan has made WAY too much of a stir by the media and public to be brushed off with a wrist slap and retirement.
Although it is doubtful that the search warrant would be invalidated, there is suspicion that the search took place before the warrant was issued. If the perp walks, the investigators, Sullivan and Jones are going to be subject to a whole lot of criticism for their alleged search without a warrant.
Now one might justifiably call THAT incident overzealous abuse of their authority.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Jul 7, 2009 18:24:47 GMT -5
In another shocking development, not only is Mr. Sullivan's BAC test tainted, but the AVL information giving the details of his state vehicle's movements has vanished from State Police records.
Just another of those amazing coincidences that seem to keep happening in the Sullivan case.
I almost wish they'd just drop all pretense and slap him with a $250 fine, pat him on the back, and send him off into his all expense paid retirement.
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Post by corner on Jul 7, 2009 19:08:00 GMT -5
after some quick math on sunday i figure his retirement at the current formula will be close to or over 80 thousand a year and it will have only cost him about 50k for aneys services
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Post by Clipper on Jul 7, 2009 20:01:49 GMT -5
"I almost wish they'd just drop all pretense and slap him with a $250 fine, pat him on the back, and send him off into his all expense paid retirement."
Me too Gear. He needs to be punished by the courts, but his retirement should not be affected. He worked for over 19 years for it. Forcing him to retire at his young age is punishment enough along with fines and whatever the judge has in mind for him. You can bet your ass that as corner says, he will pay Aney probably 50 grand for his defense.
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Post by corner on Jul 7, 2009 21:01:16 GMT -5
hes worth every penny too....unfortunately matt will have learned nothing and the next time he is caught dwi he will be a civilian
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Post by Clipper on Jul 7, 2009 21:45:00 GMT -5
You are probably right about that too Corner, but at least as a civilian, we won't have to watch this whole bullshit deal play out in the OD for months. If he is picked up DWI in the future, and is no longer a trooper, he better hope it isn't Olney that catches him, LOLOL
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 7, 2009 23:39:47 GMT -5
In another shocking development, not only is Mr. Sullivan's BAC test tainted, but the AVL information giving the details of his state vehicle's movements has vanished from State Police records. Just another of those amazing coincidences that seem to keep happening in the Sullivan case.I almost wish they'd just drop all pretense and slap him with a $250 fine, pat him on the back, and send him off into his all expense paid retirement.  |
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Post by corner on Jul 8, 2009 5:15:53 GMT -5
even a broken clock is right twice a day......................
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Post by Disgusted-Daily on Jul 8, 2009 12:33:38 GMT -5
Why didn't the State just come out from the beginning and say that we are going to delay this until he can get enough time in so he can retire?
The problem that I really have with this BS is that he will retire with full benefits and not a care in the world. This is the same thing that happened in New York Mills with Police Chief Frankland. Now he is working full time for Whitestown Police Department with even a bigger chip on his shoulder.
This is a huge injustice and only sends a bad message to other Police Officer's that they truly are above the law.
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Post by boomer on Jul 8, 2009 13:23:16 GMT -5
I don't see what all the fuss is about. After observing upstate's charming version of the law and the seemingly endless attitude problems of some of the people who claim to uphold it I can only say that you get what you deserve....
This whole thing underlines the problems with law enforcement as it exists upstate: As long as no one knows what is going on it continues. There is only one reason I can think of for the delay and direct refusal to obey the letter of the FOA. They wanted this to be hidden so that the rest of us have no idea how bad it has become.
With the poor attitude toward law enforcement we have seen lately it would do a lot of good for them to open this up and get it all out in the open. Why does Sullivan get away with doing this? And why do some people advocate keeping evidence secret?
That's not exactly confidence inspiring. I trust NO MAN any longer, and episodes like these explain why.
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Post by gearofzanzibar on Jul 8, 2009 15:19:13 GMT -5
This is a huge injustice and only sends a bad message to other Police Officer's that they truly are above the law. That is *exactly* the message it's supposed to send. The level of cowardice on display, from uniformed personnel on up, is simply stunning. |
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 8, 2009 16:54:17 GMT -5
Boomer I won't argue with you, except to extend your opinions from "upstate" to downstate also. (I live sort of in between, in Ulster County.) What I see is a systemic problem in law enforcement across the state, and for all I know it exists across the nation. There's no question we have many good officers in uniform, but there are a number ... a growing number, I think ... who don't deserve the badge. And the problem is there doesn't appear to be a way to rid ourselves of them. I'm afraid it's up to the good guys to throw out the bad guys, and I hope they're working on it.
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Post by stoney on Jul 8, 2009 18:59:15 GMT -5
Corner, you are a ray of sunshine in a very shady area...  |
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