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Post by lilbump1980 on Jan 22, 2009 15:34:28 GMT -5
Well today they decided St Mary's in Clinton and St Peter's in North Utica schools will close and merge with Our lady of lourdes. It will now be named Notre Dame Elementary School. And they are hoping within 5 yrs to add on to Notre Dame JR/Sr high to include k-12 grades.. So how much will the tuition be now? I went to Blessed Sacrament then Notre Dame north. Then they both closed and the junior high moved to the highschool either when i was in 9th or 10th grade cant remember. I know I graduated 10 yrs ago and I know my mom paid over 2100.00 a year for me to go to Notre Dame.. What could the tuition be now? And then will they make parents pay the "highschool" tuition if the kid is in Kindergarden because they are in the Highschool now? This is crazy. Here is the article www.uticaod.com/breaking/x1898860002/St-Marys-St-Peters-schools-merging-with-LourdesAnd I can't find anything related to NotreDame's tuition now But Elementary school is more than my mom paid for Notre Dame for me 10 yrs ago... www.lourdes-school.org/admissions.html |
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 22, 2009 16:43:43 GMT -5
As the schools become self-supporting, tuition will continue to rise. The simple arithmetic is to take the building, utilities, maintenance, any mortgage service, salaries, benefits, school supplies and divide by the number of students. It will never be affordable for most families. The diocese doesn't want to help. The two Catholic High Schools within 10 miles of my town have already lost all diocesan support. They survive by attracting students whose families have the money to pay the high fees, as well as a constant round of fund-raising and strident appeals to alumni. I never heard from Notre Dame HS (I was in the first class, 1961) until they needed money. I mentioned that to them in a note I returned with their appeal materials. The un-affordability of a Catholic High School is very old news. In the fall of 1960, when Notre Dame first opened it's doors (that first year in the old Country Day School next to then Utica Mutual), their tution was too high for many families. At UCA, tuition had been $80 per year for the first student in a family and $40 for the next. Notre Dame began at $300 with no discounts for multiple family members. By the time my little brother got there, it had doubled again. I never believed the school wanted to serve Catholic families as had been the purpose when Catholic schools first got started. But then, they couldn't without the slave labor that had been the nuns and brothers. For a more lighthearted review of Catholic Education, you may want to read, "Irish Catholic Sex - The Long Way to Heaven" at: www.windsweptpress.com/cathsex.htm |
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Post by lilbump1980 on Jan 23, 2009 8:02:50 GMT -5
When I went there to the highschool from 94-98 we only had Sister Theresa who was the art teacher, and Sister Ana Mae who was vice principal. Those were the only nuns there. There were no brothers.. And when i went to Notre Dame North (which was above St Francis school from 92-94 there was only Sister Melissa I believe. And at Blessed Sacrament from 85-92 we only had Sister Judith and the priests from the church .. that was it. So there are not many nuns and brothers in the schools anymore. However It was very expensive when i went there. However I am greatful my mom sent me, I loved it. But I always said I would send my kids there when I had children.. I dont have any yet. But the way the economy is going, That dream of mine will probably not come true.
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Post by denise on Jan 23, 2009 9:01:58 GMT -5
It's such a shame. There used to be a Catholic grade school in every neighborhood in Utica, and you went to the school in your neighborhood.
I went to Blessed Sacrament from 71 to 77, and when we moved to West Frankfort, I remember being a bit further ahead than the other kids. Back then, Catholic education really was top-notch. Of course, it was all book learning and nothing was technology based. Not so much now. I just don't think that Catholic schools can keep up with the times since they really have no money and no state funding to keep up to date and with the programs that may be offered at public schools. Parents are paying top dollar for a mediocre education and keeping them out of the public school system.
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 23, 2009 9:25:41 GMT -5
Picture little Dave, 7 years old, hands arched piously toward heaven, in a line of other little tykes, boys in white suits, girls in white dresses with strange little hats, all in a line marching down St. Agnes Avenue to the tiny old Blessed Sacrament Church to make our First Communion. Afterward, we gathered in what was a luscious garden, surrounded by evergreen bushes, on the site of the current church, but which should have stayed a garden, I think. We lined up and sang a song about Ave Maria and the Pope, "our father in Rome." The angels sighed. The devils laughed.
The parents may have wondered if Father Gallagher was sober, given that ruddy and very red face. Some didn't appreciate the noisy prelate. But they would soon miss him when he was replaced by an early 1950's equivalent of Stormin' Norman, the infamous Father K., the scourge of anyone who disagreed with him and the master builder of the new church. The master arm twister, too, as far as getting the money from everyone to build it. He's the guy who chose the absolutely awful statuary that I remember in my high school days. I hope the new Baptist owners have sunk all of those statues in the Barge Canal.
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Post by concerned on Jan 23, 2009 9:57:05 GMT -5
It is impossible to run a Catholic School of any type when enrollment in any one particular school is 90 to 200 students. I do have to say that they get a hell of a good education for such cheap tuition.The lay teachers have to be saints to do it-- no one in there right mind would teach for that low wage salary. Just as an example Utica's Notre Dame was graduation 100% Regent's diploma students 10 years ahead of Utica---Utica's rate was around 30%,a sad state affairs.
I served and I also taught in two parishes that at first had a k-12 educational system. Tuition was different for the k-6 and the 7-12 grade breakups. They had some dedicated teachers who worked as slave labor. Parents want a great Catholic education in the Northeast but don't want to pay for it. Considering that in most public schools the cost per student is around $ 10-12,000. Then the tuition in a Catholic Scholl should at least match what the puplic schools pay for per student education.
A good friend of mine who just recently past away was a member of a religious order called The Order of St. Benidict. The operate a millitary high school for boys in Richmand, Virginnia. The tuition there is $14,000 per year and they have 300 students. That was two years ago. The I visited there a few times and I have to say the parental involvement in there childrens education as well as spectacluar funding events would be the envey of any public school teacker. The faculity start at around $30,000 a year and all have either one or two Masters Degree's and a few have there Ph.D. The Cadets graduate with some king of commission in the military.The place is truly what Catholic education is all about. As a public school teacher in upstate NY, I was very jeolous.
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Post by lilbump1980 on Jan 23, 2009 11:34:37 GMT -5
when I graduated in 98 i had 86 kids in my class... What a shame
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 23, 2009 16:22:27 GMT -5
Lillbump, that's about all there was in the Class of '61, under 100, I think. All boys.
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Post by concerned on Jan 23, 2009 20:39:56 GMT -5
Dave, I only likes the crucifix over the main alter at Blessed Sacrament. I didn't know much about Fr. K until way after I entered the malor seminary where he attended. lol Maybe I should have attended Catholic grade school and high school. Blessed Sacrament was always my home parish. Do you remember Sister Veronica. If you do I will move the thread into the members area.
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 23, 2009 21:37:06 GMT -5
I think my older brother had her, but I do remember the name. I was there from K through the first months of 4th grade. My older brother was a year ahead of me. We moved away in December of '52.
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Post by denise on Jan 24, 2009 9:52:05 GMT -5
I remember Sister Veronica at Blessed Sacrament. She tutored me in math.
It's just so amazing how many Catholic schools there were in Utica--Blessed Sacrament, St. Anthonys, Mt Caramel, St. Agnes, Holy Trinity, Sacred Heart, St. Francis DeSales, St. Peters, Our Lady of Lourdes. I remember the CYO basketballs games and track meets. A little hard to do now--no one to place against.
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Post by lilbump1980 on Jan 24, 2009 13:32:37 GMT -5
when I went to blessed sacrament. we had Father Kloster at chuch. Then when he left. Father Fred Daly came who then went to St Francis..
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 25, 2009 1:48:23 GMT -5
lilbump, do you remember Kloster's first name? I think he is my age and went to Lourdes a couple of years ahead of me. (By the way, he's not the Father K. I mentioned above, of course.)
Concerned, the story was the B.S. statuary came directly from Italy. Some of the less reverent of the parish said the pastor got it cheap because no one else wanted it.
There was a metal sculpture of Christ on the back altar wall in the RC church near me on the road to Woodstock until a couple of years ago. I don't know how it came to be removed, but it was hideous. Even as a sometimes participant, I was grateful for its departure. The artist tried to portray the risen Christ, hooded with the burying cloth and carrying a staff with sort of a pennant atop it. To me, it looked like the Grim Reaper with his scythe. And His facial expression really was grim. I pointed out to Father Will that if I had been raised from the dead, I'd look a hell of a lot happier than that.
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Post by concerned on Jan 25, 2009 10:50:31 GMT -5
Kloster's first name is Bob. He is no longer a Catholic priest or within the active ministery. Had to do with all gay things going on.
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Post by concerned on Jan 25, 2009 10:57:48 GMT -5
The marble is all from Italy. I gues at that time it was cheap. I remember because a few years before that my Italian grandmother who was from Italy had fire place installed in the living room and all that marble came from Italy. Someone living in Cornhill has an expensive marble fire place in there living. I hope it wasn't dismantled for drug money because a Italian curse would be invoked on them from dear old Gram.
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