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Post by Clipper on Sept 10, 2024 7:22:30 GMT -5
www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/i80-sierra-big-rig-fire-closure-emigrant-gap/www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-recycling-plant-fire-housing-900-tonnes-lithium-batteries-2024-02-18/www.kpbs.org/news/public-safety/2024/09/06/escondido-lithium-battery-fire-continues-to-burn-as-county-mulls-over-moratoriumwww.bing.com/search?pglt=2083&q=roof+leak+at+a+warehouse+causes+a+lithium+battery+fire&cvid=6dbacba24bbd4a789bfe520128df8f52&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTMzNjExajBqMagCALACAA&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=DCTSI can't imagine having a large number of the Tesla semi's traveling our highways and risking this sort of severe fire danger. In our region ( NE Tn, SWVa) there are semi crashes almost every day on I-81. Electric powered cars are a minor danger compared to the magnitude of the battery bank in the semi's being built, and the magnitude of the fire hazard and toxic fume risk to the public. It is something that should be seriously considered before allowing mass production and large numbers of these vehicles to be put on the road, endangering the public and first responders. There was recently an electrical fire in a Tesla sedan in a local parking lot. Thank goodness it was a small fire under the dash of the car and bystanders were able to extinguish it with dry powder extinguishers before the entire car was involved, but it made the news. I don't know how large the risk would be for an EV to catch fire while charging, but we have charging stations around the area that are located in the parking lot of gas stations. Sheetz convenience stores and travel stops have 4 or more charging stations in their parking lots and our local Sheetz has the charging stations located within probably 100 feet of their 4 or 5 fuel islands. Sam's Club has 4 charging stations in their parking lot and they are also located near the fuel station. The huge Pinnacle shopping development next to the interstate exit has charging stations right in the middle of a shopping center surrounded by 72 stores. A gasoline fire burns plenty hot enough and can be hard to extinguish, but at least they CAN be extinguished and contained in a short period of time and the fumes are nowhere near as hazardous as those from burning lithium batteries. One might take note that places like Walmart, Sams's Club and other retail stores with gas stations locate them in an outlying corner of the parking lots, away from the store building. One of my sons drives a Tesla and it gives me the willies knowing that he parks it, and has a charging station in their attached garage, only feet from their bedrooms. Call me paranoid, but you could not GIVE me an EV.
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Post by BHU on Sept 10, 2024 7:44:41 GMT -5
Anyone who buys a Tesla should have their head examined, semi or personal vehicle. The things are over priced, trouble prone & don't hold their value despite the bs spread by Musk. Will electric semi's take over the road? I doubt it. Ford can't even get rid of their electric F150's. Nobody wants the damn things because guys buy a pickup to tow with which you can't do over long distances with an electric pickup.I can just imagine what will happen to the batteries on pickups which are mounted to the under carriage once the salt & other corrosives used on roads in the Northeast get to them.
I don't trust lithium batteries. I bought a weedeater last year powered by one & it does work good. The charger has a fan inside it which turns on when it's being charged, I'm assuming so it doesn't get hot & I never leave it plugged in once it is charged.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Sept 10, 2024 7:54:24 GMT -5
Mark the calendar! Clipper & BHU agree on something!
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Post by Clipper on Sept 10, 2024 7:56:11 GMT -5
Anyone who buys a Tesla should have their head examined, semi or personal vehicle. The things are over priced, trouble prone & don't hold their value despite the bs spread by Musk. Will electric semi's take over the road? I doubt it. Ford can't even get rid of their electric F150's. Nobody wants the damn things because guys buy a pickup to tow with which you can't do over long distances with an electric pickup.I can just imagine what will happen to the batteries on pickups which are mounted to the under carriage once the salt & other corrosives used on roads in the Northeast get to them. I don't trust lithium batteries. I bought a weedeater last year powered by one & it does work good. The charger has a fan inside it which turns on when it's being charged, I'm assuming so it doesn't get hot & I never leave it plugged in once it is charged. I think we all have lithium batteries of one sort or another and the chargers that go with them. I have a cell phone, two Ipads, and a laptop computer. Heck, even the medical alert device I just got from the VA has a charging station with it. Like you, I try to charge those devices during the day when I am present or at least when I am not in bed sleeping at night. I have two charging stations on my desk and I charge my phone each evening and the Ipads during the day. The same goes for the laptop. I have it charging as we speak, but when I shut it down at night I disconnect the charger. Going way back to when people had cell phones exploding or catching fire in their pants pockets, I have been a freak when it comes to being cautious with anything with a lithium battery in it. My son bought his Tesla used from a dealer in Albany. What will he do when the battery pack craps the bed? Either pay 10K or so for new batteries or dump the car, and it won't be worth much needing new batteries. |
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Post by clarencebunsen on Sept 10, 2024 9:37:14 GMT -5
Mark the calendar! Clipper & BHU agree on something! I feel required to offer a counterpoint. Pollution emitted from a power generating facility are a point source and all of the abatement measures can be concentrated in a single place which offers many advantages. Pollution from vehicles on the roads is a much more complex and expensive problem. The most recent info I have (which is several years old) is that pollution control on a new coal fired electrical plant consumes 1/3 of the output of that plant. I think the best option is uranium powered fission plants providing power to electric vehicles while they are on the road. Try selling that one in NY. |
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Post by BHU on Sept 10, 2024 11:26:16 GMT -5
Mark the calendar! Clipper & BHU agree on something!  |
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Post by BHU on Sept 10, 2024 11:30:02 GMT -5
Anyone who buys a Tesla should have their head examined, semi or personal vehicle. The things are over priced, trouble prone & don't hold their value despite the bs spread by Musk. Will electric semi's take over the road? I doubt it. Ford can't even get rid of their electric F150's. Nobody wants the damn things because guys buy a pickup to tow with which you can't do over long distances with an electric pickup.I can just imagine what will happen to the batteries on pickups which are mounted to the under carriage once the salt & other corrosives used on roads in the Northeast get to them. I don't trust lithium batteries. I bought a weedeater last year powered by one & it does work good. The charger has a fan inside it which turns on when it's being charged, I'm assuming so it doesn't get hot & I never leave it plugged in once it is charged. I think we all have lithium batteries of one sort or another and the chargers that go with them. I have a cell phone, two Ipads, and a laptop computer. Heck, even the medical alert device I just got from the VA has a charging station with it. Like you, I try to charge those devices during the day when I am present or at least when I am not in bed sleeping at night. I have two charging stations on my desk and I charge my phone each evening and the Ipads during the day. The same goes for the laptop. I have it charging as we speak, but when I shut it down at night I disconnect the charger. Going way back to when people had cell phones exploding or catching fire in their pants pockets, I have been a freak when it comes to being cautious with anything with a lithium battery in it. My son bought his Tesla used from a dealer in Albany. What will he do when the battery pack craps the bed? Either pay 10K or so for new batteries or dump the car, and it won't be worth much needing new batteries. I didn'e see in your post that your son owned a Tesla. Oops! |
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Post by BHU on Sept 10, 2024 11:35:08 GMT -5
Mark the calendar! Clipper & BHU agree on something! Some energy suppliers are shuttering aging coal plants because the cost to bring them up to today's pollution standards isn't cost effective. That's why Joe Manchin in W. Virginia who's family made & is making a fortune from coal was pis*ed off at Biden over his energy policy. Money talks & we know the rest..... |
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Post by Clipper on Sept 10, 2024 11:43:50 GMT -5
Some energy suppliers are shuttering aging coal plants because the cost to bring them up to today's pollution standards isn't cost effective. That's why Joe Manchin in W. Virginia who's family made & is making a fortune from coal was pis*ed off at Biden over his energy policy. Money talks & we know the rest..... LOL! No problem. When he bought it and I heard how much he paid for it I told him myself that he needed his head examined. |
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Post by clarencebunsen on Sept 10, 2024 22:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by Clipper on Sept 11, 2024 6:53:17 GMT -5
Very interesting. Any alternative to the lithium based batteries that is not subject to the high fire danger and toxic products of the combustion of the battery packs now used in EV's is a huge step forward. I have to wonder how they compare to the lithium batteries when it comes to the running time, how long they will hold a charge and how far a person could drive before they needed to charge them.
I simply don't ever see myself wanting to drive and electric car. I like being able to drive 300 miles on a tank of gas before stopping for a mere 10 minutes to top off the tank. I drove from here to CNY with two fuel stops and I stopped for gas when the guage dropped to 1/4. I can't picture myself stopping and hooking up to a charger for 1/2 hour or more while sitting in the car in a parking lot somewhere twiddling my thumbs.
I don't know much about hybrid vehicles but even though they increase the fuel mileage substantially I wouldn't spend the difference in cost between a hybrid and a gasoline driven car. I am perfectly happy with the 30mpg highway fuel mileage and the performance of the small displacement engine with the turbocharger. I guess one reason I am impressed with that mileage is because I have always owned vehicles with large displacement, high performance V-8 engines that sacrificed fuel mileage for horsepower and torque.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 12, 2024 7:14:00 GMT -5
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Post by Clipper on Sept 12, 2024 12:16:41 GMT -5
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Post by BHU on Sept 12, 2024 13:21:47 GMT -5
Some energy suppliers are shuttering aging coal plants because the cost to bring them up to today's pollution standards isn't cost effective. That's why Joe Manchin in W. Virginia who's family made & is making a fortune from coal was pis*ed off at Biden over his energy policy. Money talks & we know the rest..... LOL! No problem. When he bought it and I heard how much he paid for it I told him myself that he needed his head examined. One of the car makers, I'm thinking Hyundai has advised owners of EV'S not to park them in their garage or near their house because the things could catch fire & burn the place down. Of course anything that can go wrong with a Hundai, will. |
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Post by Clipper on Sept 13, 2024 7:22:24 GMT -5
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