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Post by Clipper on Sept 20, 2008 20:24:58 GMT -5
I am glad you finally got all that straight, LOLOLOL!
This is one of those places where you and I will part company my friend. I support you and your local politics, but I will never be convinced that Obama should be president of the United States.
By the way, it is a myth that the average Alaskan eats mooseburgers on a regular basis. I spent $600 to take a moose hunting trip into upper Ontario in the mid 80's and shot a bull moose. I paid to take the trip, I paid for butchering, wrapping, quick freezing, and to have the head mounted. The trip ended up costing me close to$1800, and I ate probably 10 pounds of the moose meat and gave the rest away. IT WAS GAMEY AND NASTY TASTING! Anyone that tells you that moose burger is good, would also like tough, gamey, and foul venison that died of old age.
I may be a chicken way out, but I found after a couple of heated arguments that this election is a hotbed issue and people are very passionate in their defense of their candidates. I simply don't see myself changing anyone's mind, so why argue with friends, right?
As per your post, I am simply very glad that you see it like it is, hahaha!
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 20, 2008 20:25:40 GMT -5
Larry, I think what it shows is the silliness of political discourse. You're right, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Certainly, Mr./Mrs. Obama is more intellectually accomplished than Gov. Palin and McCain. But many will be basing their vote on other qualities.
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Post by wilum47 on Sept 20, 2008 22:23:47 GMT -5
See, now, Larry you're hanging around those elitist left wingers again; time to steer yourself back to center!
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Post by tanouryjr on Sept 20, 2008 23:02:21 GMT -5
Hahaha. Honestly, I just copied and pasted that piece from an email I received the other day. Dave is right, this whole campaign has been based on such useless discourse, and so little on the actual issues. And that goes for both sides. I used to be a huge fan of McCain, but lost a lot of that when he changed most of his positions to win the nomination. I also lost a lot of respect for Obama when he changed some of his positions after he won the primary. But I guess that's the game they play at the national level.
I am a little weary of Obama's lack of experience, but I support him for what I think he repesents, which is a new kind of politics. I wouldn't be crushed by having McCain as President though. I really don't like Palin though. Something about her just doesn't sit well. I like a lot of her positions on paper, but when she speaks she turns me off.
All I know is that most changes we need are at the local level, and I'll steer clear of this one, lol.
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Post by Ralph on Sept 20, 2008 23:37:52 GMT -5
So much of what happens in this country doesn't come from the top down or the bottom up, but from the middle.
The President can do many things, on a national and foreign policy basis, and much of what he or she does and says affects the way the country is run, but not all that much is done by that person.
The Congress and Senate sponsor much of the things that affect us, and act on the Presidents policies and visa versa. State government can really have an effect on how county/local governments run things......those old hand-me-down-mandates, they reek havoc!!!
The real things that make a difference are the people that the President appoints to run the important things that deal with our day-to-day woes. The people that work behind the scenes handing out orders on what needs to be done and how they expect it to happen.
It's a lot like the CEO of the widget factory. He tells everyone what he would like to see and then hires a bunch of managers to implement it. They in turn give the orders to middle management, who of course pass the judgment down to their supervisors who beg, borrow, steal and screw anyone under them to get what they think should be done done with no regard for those at the bottom of the food chain.
Does that sum it up about right?
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 21, 2008 11:03:11 GMT -5
Larry, I was thinking about what you said and remembered wondering the other night why the two presidential candidates don't stop the negative stuff, most of which are misleading exaggerations or even totally untrue indictments. All it would take is for one of the candidates to challenge the other to no more negative campaign rhetoric. Whoever did so first, the other would have to agree or face opprobrium from the press and the voters. So why doesn't that happen? Turns out (I've read) that negative charges stick in people's minds more than constructive statements. Therefore, the way to win an election is to douse your opponent with horse poop. Sad state of affairs.
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Post by stoney on Sept 21, 2008 12:36:55 GMT -5
Touche' on your C&P, Larry!!!!
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Post by boomer on Sept 22, 2008 9:32:49 GMT -5
Clipper your site will ebb and flow Ralph is right. No-one will let it die though!
I bought a second home in Pensacola florida about a block from the beach. (Yeah that's crazy but it was so cheap!) And with fireworks shows and some other things I haven't had as much liesure time as I usually have. Also I built a homemade 4x8 foot CNC machine using off-the-shelf parts for under $2000.
So yep I've been busy Sir! But I won't let it happen again!
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Post by Clipper on Sept 22, 2008 20:11:23 GMT -5
Good to see ya posting again boomer. I am glad things rapidly get back to normal. I guess I am just lucky to be able to get on here anytime I want to basically. I guess that is what retirement is all about. I get plenty done normally, but since I broke my ribs, I guess I am noticing for the first time how few people are actually on during the day, and hitting a time when many of you were out of town and on vacation or such. I will try not to panic, haha.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Sept 22, 2008 20:36:51 GMT -5
I may be the last to check in.
Just got back from a fabulous 10 days. My wife & I took an Alaskan cruise to comemorate 35 years of marriage. The trip was filled with many uppers and a few downers.
Minor downer: The ship had internet connection at a cost of $.65 per minute. The first morning I heard a fellow passenger say that she had checked her email and it had cost her $18. I found myself each day making a choice, check my email or have 3 beers. Email came in second each day. I tried to have at least 1 beer per day which I had never drunk before. There were a couple that might have been worth trading for 9 minutes of internet, but once the cap was off the choice was made.
Major uppers: glaciers and whales. I have heard many adjectives applied to glaciers. "Awe inspiring" most often comes to mind. I don't remember anyone ever mentioning that they are NOISY. The only sound I can think of that approximates that of a glacier calving is a jet taking off. To the sight of a whale breaching, I could only respond with "Oh, wow!" Even the physics part of my brain turned off at the energies involved. If anyone finds an adequate description let me know.
Minor downer: weather. I knew from my basic training days at Ft. Lewis, Washington, that the North Pacific coast is cold and wet. It still is. Bring your rain coat and umbrella.
Major upper: a bright sunny day at the Hubbard glacier. Still cold with the wind coming from the ice field but my wife was smart enough to go buy large thermal mugs of hot chocolate laced with creme de cacao.
Not up or down but puzzling: Most Alaskans we met seem to like Palin very much but feel that the state will go for Obama.
Most surprising upper: our ride on the Seattle monorail. During our 3 minute ride from the Space Needle to downtown (that is the full extent of the monorail system) we learned that the conductor came from a small town in Minnesota about 60 miles from the smaller town from which I graduated from high school. Also that the couple sitting behind us came from a third small town and knew one of my sisters and brother-in-law who live in a fourth small Minnesota town.
Biggest downer: our return to the Syracuse airport. We got out to our car about midnight to find a flat tire. Got it changed but learned another reason not to like the airport. They have a new system to pay for parking, you pay inside near baggage claim and the machine spits out a ticket that allows you to exit the lot. If too much time elapses between paying and exiting (like say, tire changing time) the gate will not let you leave until you give it your credit card to charge an additional fee. If they were going to get a new system, why not an EZ Pass gate like the Albany airport?
Major upper with complications: I knew before we left that my father had been contracted to do a small engineering study in western New York. (Even though his career started in 1951, he is still considered an expert in some fields.) I expected him to come in about 2 weeks but learned when we got back to Seattle that he would be in the East Aurora area Sunday morning. Even with almost no sleep there was no question that we would be up and driving first thing Sunday morning. Since our van had a temp spare and I couldn't think of anyplace to get a new tire purchased and mounted before 6am Sunday, we had to caravan with 2 smaller cars (Kids, grand kids, wife & I were all going to see Great-Grampa). Living so far from my rather large family means that visits are infrequent and intense. My father had never met my 6 month old grandson. My parents have 12 great-grandchildren but my grandson is the first of his generation who will "carry on the family name." I'm enough of a dinosaur that that matters. We had a too short meal (although I'm sure the restaurant was ready to turn the table long before we left), took the obligatory 4 generation photos and left him with my brother and another brother-in-law to set up test equipment in a nearby dairy farm.
So, guys & gals, that's how I spent my summer vacation.
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Post by dgriffin on Sept 22, 2008 22:15:10 GMT -5
CB, sounds like a great trip! Your mention of Seattle's monorail reminded me of the same short ride we took on it in 1995.. I wondered if the damned thing ever crashed into anyone's office as it zipped around the buildings.
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Post by frankcor on Sept 25, 2008 15:05:14 GMT -5
I'm checking in. I've been having a blast at work lately and spending a ton of hours there instead of here. But what the heck -- work pays better than Clipper's Corner. It surprised me when I realized it's been several weeks since I last posted. It seemed like only days.
About 3 weeks ago I spent a wonderful afternoon on Lake Delta with Bobbbiez and her son. He's remarkably well adjusted considering he was raised by a madwoman. <g> She told me to send her best wishes to everyone here and said we can expect her back online in early October.
Tanoury Jr., unfortunately, there is a strong anti-intellectual sentiment in much of this nation today. I think people figure that we keep electing our best and brightest but look at the results we've been getting. I also think that if Obama did a little bit better at pretending that he is proud to be an American, people might like him more.
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Post by Clipper on Sept 25, 2008 17:33:06 GMT -5
Good to see you back Frank. First part of October huh? Can't wait to see what kind of a crazy relationship will develop with Bobbbiez and Stoney. They are both quite crazy and fun, LOL.
I haven't seen Todd on here lately, but you and I had best get out our titanium cups and stand by.
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Post by stoney on Oct 1, 2008 16:59:43 GMT -5
I've never met BobbieZ. Is she a conservative or something?
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Post by stoney on Oct 1, 2008 17:00:56 GMT -5
Is a titanium cup like an athletic supporter??
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