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Post by Clipper on May 11, 2021 22:00:10 GMT -5
www.wjhl.com/news/regional/tennessee/tennessee-to-end-federally-funded-pandemic-unemployment-programs-july-3/I am sure that some people will be harmed by the governor's decision but every day when I am out and around town I see help wanted signs all over. We were at Perkins for our usual after bowling get together last week. There was only the manager, one waitress and a cook working because they are having to carefully schedule their limited personnel to cover the busier times during the day. The server was running her ass off and the manager was bussing tables and sanitizing them when a party left. They simply cannot get anyone to even interview for a job, much less hire anyone. While unemployment is still needed for some, the job market is seriously needing workers and the incentive to stay away from work in favor of drawing unemployment simply because the federal program providing the extra monies over and above the normal amounts is making it extremely difficult for business owners to survive. Requiring people to apply for three jobs per week is a good start. I guess it could be construed as "tough love" as people are carefully removed from unemployment and are given access to both jobs or job training in the case of those whose jobs no longer exist. We need to start somewhere, and as long as safety nets are provided for those with a true need. I think now is the time to start moving out of the home and back into the offices, factories, and other places of employment. It will be a tough transition from pajamas to work attire.
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Post by artsyone on May 12, 2021 7:45:08 GMT -5
I agree with what you are saying in some cases, but not all. However, Calvanistic behaviors and means testing have once again reared their monsterous heads. There may be many reason while jobs are not being filled: lack of child care, prior job loss and depression, fear or lack of resources to get to a job, some folks may indeed be homeless, or have fear of Covid, lingering illness or even death. Don't forget we lost over 500,000 here, correct. Perhaps it is the loss of a car. Not everyone who recieved the extended benefits used it well either. Some people may have gambled it away, drank it away: that's just human nature. Also, we cannot in any way that any of those jobs open were at one time filled by American citizens. Fear or changed immigration laws, rules and restrictions may be at play here. How many of those jobs were filled by college students who have graduated and gone on to carrers? There are multiple questions and there must be multiple solutions, not just a simplified "Well, the lazy so and so will work once we claw back the free bennies...hahahha! We've got there arses in a sling now!" It's too easy to point a finger and say: Yup! That's the problem! The Terrible Year of the Great pandemic has changed us and our outlooks and way of living in ways that we are only beginning to understand. One would hope that after such a debacle compassion would rule, but it doesn't look like it generally. Therefore it is encumbant upon each of us to show compassion and exercise our humanity. We simply cannot know what each of those folks have been through, deeming them lazy is not the way. Each one teach one and God Bless.
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Post by Clipper on May 12, 2021 12:50:25 GMT -5
Compassion for some and a swift kick in the ass for others. Some have a real need and others just need to shut off the play station and dust off their work boots. I would be the first on in line to help someone with a real need, but I am damned sick of paying the freight for those who don't want to work and for all the undocumented folks flooding into the country. It pisses me off to know that some of them are receiving more money per month than I do after working all my life. There is something seriously wrong with THAT picture. They are paying all those people with taxpayer funds while those of us that worked all our lives are left in the dust to depend on pensions that aren't keeping up with the times and social security that has been looted by government for decades.
I do a slow burn when I think of illegal immigrants being put up in luxury hotels by the government while I am paying $1500+ for our hotel in July when we come up to NY on vacation.
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Post by Ralph on May 12, 2021 13:19:07 GMT -5
Being in retail, I see a different beast than some others do. I see a lot of stuff going out the door that I would not ordinarily have expected in the volume it's leaving.
We are short staffed and are offering a very decent starting wage, even with zero experience. The amount of jobs out there has been beneficial to some folks as they are leaving our place for better opportunities. But it still leaves us short.
Some folks are just milking the system now, and a lot of them are not going to want to go back without a struggle.
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Post by artsyone on May 12, 2021 13:45:14 GMT -5
You both make excellent points and I hope this whole debacle ends well. ( However, I have my doubts and believe it will take several years to come out of it, even then we're just peeking over the rim. Events like this trickle down for decades. Think of WW1, then the Great Flu, then the how wild people became after that, in the roaring 20's, then what happened: the great crash. Events cycle back upon themselves like giant snakes and what we put in today, we reap tomorrow. True, some people are gaming the system, that's baked into the cake, and some always have and others always will. Perhaps, because I am retired, I have a different point of view than you, Ralph, or you, Clipper. I may feel differently if I was still involved in the working world, but I am not.
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Post by Clipper on May 12, 2021 14:08:04 GMT -5
This should be interesting. At least our state is trying to get people back to work. People that were laid off because of the pandemic need to get their butts back to work, either on their old job or on a new one. There has to be a way to insure that those able to work and have a job to go back to go back to work.
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Post by Ralph on May 12, 2021 14:50:12 GMT -5
I have to agree that it will probably take a while before we really see anything approaching normal again. I know there a lot of folks that are happy to get back to work, but still a lot that will hold out as long as they can. Folks are going to be owing back rents, mortgages, etc. The folks that are going to be paying for it all are still working.  |
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on May 12, 2021 15:46:49 GMT -5
I don't thing renters will have to owe back rent what with the program offered to pay landlords directly through the government I think the renter just has to sign some paper work. I can see the riots if people who rent and didn't pay rent are then told they will have to owe back rent especially those who just decided to stop paying rent because of COVID but not financially harmed by COVID.
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Post by artsyone on May 12, 2021 16:36:37 GMT -5
I don't thing renters will have to owe back rent what with the program offered to pay landlords directly through the government I think the renter just has to sign some paper work. I can see the riots if people who rent and didn't pay rent are then told they will have to owe back rent especially those who just decided to stop paying rent because of COVID but not financially harmed by COVID. I think it's a lot more complex than just signing some paper work, but I get your point. |
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on May 12, 2021 18:43:57 GMT -5
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Post by BHU on May 12, 2021 19:54:05 GMT -5
A lot of landlords are taking it on the chin & losing a ton of money from people who aren't paying. And they're not all wealthy, just everday folks who invested in real estate. That's not fair how ever you slice it. And they're never going to be made whole from people who know how to game the system.
Wages have been stagnant in this country for decades, so is it any wonder that people aren't going back to work for crap wages when they can sit home & make more? Why would they? This is a result of unions destroyed or neutered by corporate interests who are more interested in corporate profits & enriching their CEO's & wealthy stockholders, while the average worker got screwed & left out in the cold. They can't find workers to bust their hump for low wages & no bennies? Tough luck. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
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Post by artsyone on May 13, 2021 7:09:29 GMT -5
A lot of landlords are taking it on the chin & losing a ton of money from people who aren't paying. And they're not all wealthy, just everday folks who invested in real estate. That's not fair how ever you slice it. And they're never going to be made whole from people who know how to game the system. Wages have been stagnant in this country for decades, so is it any wonder that people aren't going back to work for crap wages when they can sit home & make more? Why would they? This is a result of unions destroyed or neutered by corporate interests who are more interested in corporate profits & enriching their CEO's & wealthy stockholders, while the average worker got screwed & left out in the cold. They can't find workers to bust their hump for low wages & no bennies? Tough luck. They made their bed, now they can lie in it. Yes. You hit on something very important: labor issues, the dynamics of, are very complicated. It is my opinion that we are still entrenched in the 19th century model which will never work for this 21st century world. I was a social worker for many years, I made crap wages and never had the respect of my collegues, especially the admins. I was down in those dark and dirty human service trenches for too long. Then I became a fine jewelry salesperson: it took a lot of training and cast iron knockers to deal with those insane greedy corporations who sell these gems, as well as insane customers, who by and large are scammers. Anybody can scam a jewelry counter. And they do. Believe me, there are millions of dollars of scams and theft in this business every year and stores just eat the cost. It was all about commission, commission, commission, and then clawing it back with every return, especially during cruise season, when these rich old blue haired broads come tripping in, but a ton of stuff, and then 6 weeks later bring it all back. Then I worked as a front end cashier for Walgreens. Walgreens is a stinking pile. I personally say I don't blame folks for wanting to go back to these crap jobs. We as a country seriously need to look at our employment models because they rot. |
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Post by BHU on May 13, 2021 12:33:02 GMT -5
Artsy, I started reading Nomadland by Jessica Bruder which details how outfits like Amazon treat their workers. It's a disgrace. Bezos, the richest man on the planet gets away with paying some employees sh*t with no benefits & lousy working conditions. He's going to take it with him along with that $500 milion $$ yacht that he's having built for him & his gf.
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