Video Surveillance - Compare & Contrast

[frankcor]

LOL, Dave. I think I know Butch.

This all could have been avoided if the engineer had just offered the Chief a donut.

[Clipper]

I wasn't referring to preserving the rights of the bad guys Thelma, I was referring to protecting the rights of the everyday citizen. I really don't think it accomplishes the desired effect without intruding on private lives. I feel the camera in a convenience store is there to protect the clerks and prosecute the robbers, but cameras such as at an atm, are redundant to the person getting robbed. It may convict the robber, but it does nothing to protect the poor slob that got robbed from getting a thump on the head.

If they put a camera on a pole across from your house, what is to keep them from zooming in on your windows, or watching your kids making out with their boyfriends or girlfriends in front of the house at the end of a date?

There are as many improper uses for the cameras as there are legitimate uses. I simply see drug dealers saying to their customers, "meet me on Brinkerhoff, James Street has cameras. No biggy to them, and a big expense to us.

[Clipper]

Haha, Frank, I think that was why the engineer parked the train where he did, was to prevent the chief from getting to the rasberry filled and caramel frosted before he did, LOL! ;D

[bobbbiez]

Clipper, you mean using the cameras like frank uses his telescope?? ;D

[Clipper]

yeah, kinda like that!!!!LOL ;D

[thelma]

Dave - back in the days of Frank Dulin and Rufie, we had elements of "the mob" which controlled any crime in this city.(prostitution, gambling, etc.) Back in those days, Utica was a very bustling city and you could walk the streets at night in ALL sections of the city.

"the Mob" protected the average citizen of Utica. The only ones that had any fear of them were the criminals that the mob decided didn't belong here.

Both of these men are now deceased and we have a much better professional police force that is now trying to clean up our city. Let's support them.

Your example of the train engineer is a "once in a lifetime" story and I can see little connection to the installation of cameras in order to help the police in high crime areas of our city/

[clarencebunsen]

Frankcor,
In answer to your question from this morning, it's a self study course began during the first Eisenhower/Stevenson election. I hope by the end of the course to learn the answers to life's persistent questions.

[dgriffin]

thelma said:

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Your example of the train engineer is a "once in a lifetime" story and I can see little connection to the installation of cameras in order to help the police in high crime areas of our city/

Hi Thelma.
I'll admit my reference to this thread was a little obscure. I meant that sometimes informal is better than formal. Sometimes it's better to let the cops use "questionable methods" than to spend a million dollars to set up a system any criminal will circumvent with ease. It's easy to walk over to the next block to avoid a camera, but not when you have two broken legs. And that is by way of example, I should point out, not an endorsement of rogue police work. Do you remember the scene from "How Green Was My Valley" (it's in the book, not sure if it made it into the movie) where the miners, rather than wait for English justice to come to their little town in Wales, instead take care of the local child predator? He fell off a cliff.

[Ralph]

In the end I doubt you will find a bunch of PD or civil service workers hunched over the monitors watching these things. They will become an after the fact tool.

The cameras we have in our stores are the same way, you can’t watch them all the time and are useless unless you stare at them and have a question as to who to watch and for what.
They are great for back tracking events as they save it all to hard drives and you can go back by month/day/time etc to look for something.

I have a similar setup for the cameras around my house. I seldom pay any attention to the monitor unless I hear something strange. It archives the videos once a week and than dumps them after a set amount of time to recycle the space in the hard drives.

I am sure the ones that they will be using will be of much better quality and have better resolution than the video on TV we saw.

While I admit that in high crime areas such as this, ATM’s, stores and the like they serve their purpose, but when they start branching out to more public places for no reason other than to be the “eyes” of LE, that is when we will really need to watch the watchers.

[frankcor]

Girls in bikinis on a public beach should have no reasonable expectation to privacy.

[Ralph]

Well, there's that too.

[clarencebunsen]

That will be forbidden when the Taliban or hrc takes over. I've forgotten which, I gotta take better notes.

[dgriffin]

I have to wonder if the cameras are really a solution to the police department's cost of doing business. You can survey the scene a lot cheaper with cameras, dispatching officers when problems arise. Cameras are also an opportunity to appear to be responding to neighborhood complaints. Just about every city in America is headed toward bankruptcy as businesses and employed residents flee with their lives and pocketbooks, and many in the Mohawk Valley are at the head of the line aimed at the pit. Think money and you'll be able to predict the next big "advances" in police and fire protection and any other city service.

[dgriffin]

frankcor said:

Girls in bikinis on a public beach should have no reasonable expectation to privacy.

They would disagree with you. Don't ask me why. I've never been able to figure out how a woman can practically undress in front of you and then accuse you of staring.

[Clipper]

I have no expectation of privacy Frank, when I wear my leather speedo with the chrome zippers! ;D Clarence, you would have no expectancy of privacy if Hilly gets to vote. She can't control her own life, but she would sure love to control yours and mine. Whatever lined her little nest would be her agenda and the bottom line. When she left office and retired back to Arkansas, she would take her nestegg with her, after legislating yours away.

Cameras would be a minor inconvenience compared to the other invasions into your personal choices and your bank accounts that would most likely occur with another Clinton in the Whitehouse. Make no mistake. There is no service to the nation in the minds of neither of them. Strictly a desire to increase their wealth and fame and to further their retirement incomes.

I would be extemely afraid, if Hillary were to succeed. We seem to have forgotten, that although Billy had some successes and such while pres, the scandals overwhelmingly outweigh the positives of his presidency.

Have we forgotten that Hillary was part of the cover-up of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and defended Billy in the Jennifer Flowers mess. She also was implicated in the Whitewater mess, and what about the suspicious death of Vince Foster? Do we want to go back to those days, when the news was predominantly about the Clinton's suspicious or inappropriate behavior, and little was focused on world affairs? Something wrong with that picture.

Those points along with her insistence that we need to become a socialist nation, starting with health care, is more than I can bring myself to swallow as "progress" or any improvement. Mandating health insurance and garnishing someone's wages to pay for it, will be more expensive than the medicaide and medicare programs we have now.

Your wages will contain a deduction based on your wage, and YOU will be paying even more than you are now for those that cannot afford reliable and viable healthcare.

Couple that with her trade policies and such, and we will be going backwards and leaning towards
too much government control and "socialist" policies.

Neither of the Clintons can be trusted to serve anyone but themselves. She has carpetbagged her way into a senate seat in NY, and has done very little, if anything to benefit the state, and has simply used NY state as a stepping stone to where she is today, a candidate for President of the United States.

I apologize for the image that must cross your mind of me in a speedo. It would be alot like hillary going to the beach with two bandaids and a cork. Yuk!

Now that I have vented my anti-Hillary angst for the day, I will let someone take the thread back to cameras, where it was before I hijacked it, haha!