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Post by rickolney on Jul 22, 2008 17:38:38 GMT -5
So has anything regarding her son and his irresponsibility broken out in the media locally?
How the hell is the kid going to learn responsible journalism if his mother treats news with a fairy wand? It amazes me how such smart people can be lacking in common sense.
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Post by Swimmy on Jul 23, 2008 8:30:13 GMT -5
No, there has been nothing more in the local media. Not even wktv has run a story lately. Donna's grip is far-reaching and powerful.
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Post by boomer on Jul 23, 2008 18:55:27 GMT -5
No, there has been nothing more in the local media. Not even wktv has run a story lately. Donna's grip is far-reaching and powerful. Swimmy you are SO right you have no idea how right you are. Clip, you can delete me or chastize me if you like I understand there's a certain "air" about your forumm wherein you don't seem to like to talk about "Arcuri Issues" but that's an excellent example of what's wrong with Donna. Ever notice that certain people get play from the OD? The most obvious example is the OD's "angle" on the Arcuri Spitzergate connection. Where else would a congressman not get asked to provide some proof that he is not involved? They accepted what Mike Arcuri said hook, line, and sinker without asking a single follow up question. Now, people are online saying that "Donna is avoiding mentioning it so that Andrew gets a get out of jail free pass". I think that that is actually incorrect for a reason OTHER than you might think. Donna, it seems, doesn't NEED to avoid roasting Arcuri to save her son. Arcuri and McNamera have that same "old boy" thing going on already. I wouldn't be suprised if the reason Donna tried not to print it is that she already KNOWS Mike will arrange for Andrew to get a slap on the wrist through McNamera. That is another reason why she tried to avoid mentioning it. If it was an unknown secret it would just be that much easier to get the deal done. When I was 16, my youngest brother [14] and I had a very bad argument as you can imagine teenage brothers can. My brother hopped on his bicycle and went to a friend's house to cool off. He never made it there. My neighbor, a contractor was a scanner buff like some of you are, and he came running over to the house to get my parents. They were still at work, so he grabbed me and drove me to see my little brother dying on the side of the road as police and ambulances arrived just after us. I held him until the ambulance arrived. At 16 I could tell that he was messed up. I won't detail his injuries for you, you wouldn't like it but I had no question he wasn't going to get "fixed up" at any hospital. I completely lost it when he slipped away. The driver was staggering around at the scene and it took 3 troopers and stopped motorists to pull me off of him and I don't think they were really trying in the first place. The driver knew the DA then [another town] through his wife. He got 6mos. lockup and probation because it was his first offense. He got out and about another 6 mos. he drove his truck into the front of a beauty parlor in the city not far from where we lived. He killed an employee and a customer, and other customers had to run because everything was on fire in the place. An extremely brave cop saved his life, of course. He got a nice big sentence that time, but when I looked his name up at the prison thing NYS has where you can lookup the names of prisoners, I see he had more DWIs after that. So yeah, if Andrew walks on this don't blame me if I wander myself into that "questionable" DA's office we have and just totally freak out on McNamera. What is he going to do? Have me arrested? I have thought much about it over the years, and councelors have explained "why" people DWI, and I understand and somehow can accept it. Its wrong, but when you are drunk they say, you aren't capapble of making the right choice. So the moral issue is driving TO a place that serves. No one WANTS to drive drunk. They just don't understand that they can't drive. The problem happens BEFORE that. When they pull up to the bar etc. So regardless if Donna protects her son or not that is secondary, Andrew has already had DWI issues I hear so now that he almost ruined another family, AND TOOK OFF requires a stiff sentence in my mind. If McNamera thinks he can pull an Arcuri and smooth this over for Donna he's got a really nasty suprise. This is what is SO wrong with this community. I won't start the rumor mill because this is hearsay I can't back up, but Mike Arcuri has helped a relative avoid a charge TOTALLY when a woman was killed on Genesee ST. by a dwi. Scott says Mike is his "mentor" so it does not suprise me that he could be "helping" Andrew at all. In fact I am inclined to believe it. I don't expect you to believe me because I can't prove it but with these guys, nothing suprises me.
My guess says that the only problem they will have in giving Andrew a free ride is figuring out how to make it fly and still look like "justice was served". Sorry but my eyes work and I don't trust these people.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jul 23, 2008 21:14:32 GMT -5
What else is there to report?
He was arrested. It was reported although perhaps a day later than it should have been. If the case follows the normal course for a first offense after a period of months there will be a hearing and a recommendation for a conditional license, a fine and a class. Until that happens there is nothing new to report.
I have seen several allegations that this was not a first offense, but never anything to back that up.
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Post by boomer on Jul 23, 2008 22:32:36 GMT -5
Yes Clarence that was acceptable to a point. It will be interesting to see if DD is up on it in the next few days papers. You would think she would play it sharp and make sure there was a mention of it anytime something happened though. At least I would, that way she could avoid the funny looks shes been getting, this thread as case in point. She's been getting hit for every slip up for a while now, and with Gatehouse's situation you'd think she'd be minding her Ps and Qs. Clipper hosts probably 60% of her ex-forum hits and in a new age where that's going to mean EVERYTHING it shows you she's behind the curve, and keeping utica there with her.
That "Pssssst" did you hear? was about the most blatant steering attempt I can recall. I hope whoever considers buying that newspaper if it liquidates never sees that part of her agenda.
Hey guys I reread what I wrote before and hope it didn't drag anyone down. Feel free to erase that if you want I didn't realize what a downer that could be for just someone reading the forum here for a smile or something. Can you tell I am still a tad angry over it for the last twenty years?
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Post by Swimmy on Jul 23, 2008 22:45:58 GMT -5
Clarence, it's not that even that. The point I was trying to make is that every day you can open up the paper and find with great ease who was arrested for DWI. Then for the rest of the week you see articles slamming the offender for DWI, etc. When it struck home and it was her son, she did nothing. She probably never would have done anything but for the pressure mounting against her to print something. Yet she's quick to publish articles claiming that the paper strives for balance, and fairness, and prints only the news that can be verified, etc. Then she pulls this crap, among other inconsistencies with "official" policy and what's actually reported.
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Post by Clipper on Jul 23, 2008 23:01:57 GMT -5
Boomer, I don't know where you got the impression that we would delete you or that Arcuri was a subject that can't be discussed on here. I for one, am not an Arcuri fan. You can tear him a new asshole, with no interference from me, LOL. Personally, I always thought that Arcuri was a cocky, arrogant, little shit.
I can't, for the life of me, ever remember making any statements that would indicate that I liked Arcuri, and I sure can't remember ever chastizing or criticizing anyone for talking bad about him.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jul 24, 2008 5:47:28 GMT -5
I agree that it is easy to find published reports on DWI arrests, but I can't think of many examples of follow-ups before court action unless there is some sort of major injury or fatality. I really can't remember of any instances of articles for the rest of the week slamming the offender.
Father Krohl is one example for whom I thought the coverage was excessive but I objected more to the prominence and size of articles. For him at least the argument could be made that he is quasi official rather than someone related to someone prominent.
The only reason anyone is interested in Andrew Donovan is because of who his mother is. Otherwise he would be just another 20 year old arrested for DWI and no one would expect more than one day of page 3B coverage.
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Post by dan on Jul 24, 2008 8:01:17 GMT -5
"The only reason anyone is interested in Andrew Donovan is because of who his mother is. Otherwise he would be just another 20 year old arrested for DWI and no one would expect more than one day of page 3B coverage."
But he would be another 20 year old that would be injected as the subject of numerous "example" articles on the subject of how bad these drunk drivers are and can we afford any more near misses like he had. He would be held up as an example in editorials and human interest stories, except that he won't for one reason, his last name.
I'll be more interested in how future articles on the subject are approached, or the coverage of the next "near miss".
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Post by Swimmy on Jul 24, 2008 8:16:38 GMT -5
Exactly, dan!
My issue is that donna attempted to hide the fact her son got a dwi. It was not until wktv published it and everyone was talking about the hypocrisy she demonstrated when it came to her own son that she finally reported the incident in the paper, when she could no longer hide it from the public.
What about that Bosnian guy who took out a woman and her stroller and confessed he thought he hit a parked car? Granted it was a little more gruesome than Andy's incident, but he was a totally private citizen. For weeks the od published editorials about the value of human life, etc. If it had been any other 20 year old, there would have been articles chastising the kid for: 1. underage drinking, and 2. fleeing the scene of the accident. We would see editorials and the like preaching how people need to be safer, etc.
None of that hit the paper, why? As dan said, because of Andy's last name.
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Post by dan on Jul 24, 2008 11:17:24 GMT -5
I also fully understand the need of a parent to try to protect their child from the scrutiny that comes from a public incident like a DWI. I've got 2 sons, 21 and 19, and I've asked myself what would I do if X happened. I'd like to think that I would treat them as fairly as I've approached treating others fairly, but until it happens, I don't know. Donna is a loving mother that is treating her son in a different way than she has treated other mothers sons and for me, thats the issue.
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Post by stoney on Jul 24, 2008 11:24:21 GMT -5
The follow-up report was in the OD today!
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Post by corner on Jul 24, 2008 11:26:30 GMT -5
Boomer, I don't know where you got the impression that we would delete you or that Arcuri was a subject that can't be discussed on here. I for one, am not an Arcuri fan. You can tear him a new asshole, with no interference from me, LOL. Personally, I always thought that Arcuri was a cocky, arrogant, little shit. I can't, for the life of me, ever remember making any statements that would indicate that I liked Arcuri, and I sure can't remember ever chastizing or criticizing anyone for talking bad about him. Clip maybe its time we discuss the arrogant pisspot in a new string all his own, we need to make this jerk a one termer. |
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Post by dan on Jul 24, 2008 11:30:46 GMT -5
"arrogant pisspot" ;D ;D ;D  ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by wilum47 on Jul 24, 2008 12:02:03 GMT -5
Clip maybe its time we discuss the arrogant pisspot in a new string all his own, we need to make this jerk a one termer.  Bandwidth Alert!! |
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