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Post by Clipper on Feb 14, 2015 12:22:22 GMT -5
***Utica Police Investigate Shooting***
Early this morning (February 14, 2015 at around 4:30 am) Utica Police units responded to 19 Scott Street (where a house party was being held) in regards to a disturbance/possible shots fired.
When police officers arrived they were met by a hostile crowd that was yelling obscenities and threatening to harm a female police officer. Once inside the residence police officers located a 24 year old victim, who was shot multiple times. Police officers had to physically clear a path inside the residence so that UFD paramedics would not be impeded by the group of people obstructing and could move the victim out of the house on a gurney to get him to a hospital.
Several persons at the scene of this shooting/house party refused to talk to police and were uncooperative. These same persons were also encouraging others to do the same.
The victim was taken to a local hospital for medical treatment where his condition is unknown. We are not releasing the victim's name at this time.
The investigation into this matter is continuing.
The Utica Police Department is asking anyone with information about this shots fired incident to call either 315-520-0842 or 315-534-1229. All phone calls will be kept confidential.
These city cops put their lives on the line to come to the aid of a shooting victim and truth be known, the victim would probably be among those cursing the cops if the circumstances were different. It is pretty bad when nobody will talk to the police when someone has been shot. It is pretty bad when entire groups of people will shield the guilty and refuse to talk to police. They simply taunt police and dare them to get physical so that they can claim police brutality or so they can justify a physical confrontation with police. That will only work for them when there are many more perps than cops. The chicken shits won't talk as brave when they don't have a gaggle of scumbags to back them up. I would only respond to such a call with a cattle prod, a machete, a quart sized pepper spray, and a riot club to clear the path. I guess I would not make a very good cop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 17:04:00 GMT -5
Sounds like the guy was at the party and got shot. Too bad the Police and paramedics could not just refuse service in cases like this. I am also surprised that the police couldn't just pepper spray everyone in the crowd. Unless not enough to do a good job.
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Post by dave on Feb 14, 2015 17:08:08 GMT -5
Let me put my liberal hat on here for a moment, even though it is sometimes too big for my head and sometimes too small.
If we can for a moment forget everything we've learned about this segment of our society, some of it true, some of it not, then it's easier to view the situation as a group of people who do not want to cooperate with another segment of society who they believe has been unfair to them, allows them no progress on the economic road to relative freedom and doesn't want to play ball with them. We could argue forever whether we are right or they are right. It seems to make more sense to accept their opinion for simply being their opinion and move on from there. In other words, what can be done to alleviate their suffering where it is warranted, appropriate and doable. And what can be done to motivate them more toward our understanding of how a society of people should work, economically and otherwise. Which, by the way, has not been working for everyone for some time now. So we should be careful about what we're selling.
Now ... in the heat of the moment and on the premises of a crime scene, I agree it's best to kick ass and take names for later, putting the safety of all ... police officers and party goers ... at the top of the list of what needs to be done.
But when we're Monday morning quarterbacking ... so to speak, because I realize that was not the intent of the previous posts.... perhpas we should try a more analytical approach.
We'll start with differences.
Some believe the only honorable way to behave in our society is to get a job, save our money, make light use of credit when necessary, honor our leaders and service providers such police and fire.
Some others believe the system is stacked against them and has been that way since they were brought on slave ships from across the ocean. They consider it worthless to try to work their way up in such a society and believe at this point their basic needs ought to be the least a rich society can do for them. They don't care that its the middle class instead of the rich who are taxed to provide for them. "That's your problem," one of them said to me during such a conversation.
Some believe in the efficacy of the modern nuclear family, where of paramount importance is the bringing up of a child by both birth mother and father, potentially insulated from the rest of the society, who vote at PTA meetings to effect the ideas that will be fed to their children and who put aside fortunes of savings to guarantee their children will continue to hear their government's (and their betters') opinions up through age 21 at colleges who raise their tuition each year while simultaneously lowering their standards and their quality of graduating students. And who get rid of their faculty for part timers.
Some others believe that a neighborhood can raise a child as well as a tribe did in the old country. That aunts and uncles can and should be as much in the mix as biological parents. That the local PTA is filled with parents who simplyy don't get it, don't understand they truly have no choices in the education of their children, but are merely pampered and brought in to make choices between Frick and Frack and to vote for budgets of millions of dollars or vote it down and still have to pay for 95% of it. .
Some people play pinochle for relaxation.
Some people smoke crack.
Both have been illegal from time to time and place to place.
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Post by dave on Feb 14, 2015 17:12:14 GMT -5
Sounds like the guy was at the party and got shot. Too bad the Police and paramedics could not just refuse service in cases like this. I am also surprised that the police couldn't just pepper spray everyone in the crowd. Unless not enough to do a good job. The police and paramedics would not forsake an injured person in that manner. As for the pepper spray, I'm guessing they probably didn't want a riot on their hands. And call me sexist, but I would have never sent a female officer on that call. |
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Post by Clipper on Feb 14, 2015 18:46:28 GMT -5
It's only a matter of time until something breaks out in the city that turns into another Ferguson Missouri. I wouldn't be a patrol cop in Utica NY for $150,000 a year. It's pretty damned sad when someone is laying with multiple gunshot wounds and the scumbags won't allow the paramedics to enter and treat the victim without the police having to plow a furrow through the crowd for the gurney. I am with Alan to a certain extent. If it gets too dangerous to patrol, simply cordon it off and let the criminal elements kill each other. Anyone with a family to keep safe can bail and receive refugee status in another part of town. Eventually the criminals will eliminate themselves one corpse at a time, and what's left of the neighborhood can be rebuilt and reoccupied.  Let the federal government buy out people like Ralph and Betty and help them to get out of that untenable environment in which they live. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 11:32:21 GMT -5
Obviously something went wrong during the party and they solved it by doing what they do naturally by using violence against someone who was enjoying the party with them. They all might have been under the influence of drugs and alcohol which would not have added to the situation but to interfere with police and paramedics while they are doing their respective duties is just plain a total disdain for authority.
I hear the same thing everyday while either waiting for a bus inside or outside at the Bus Hub in Utica. Many people pack themselves into the vestibule of the Bus Hub building to wait for their bus rather than going inside to wait. An elderly lady who works the information desk is constantly telling them with a loud voice( many have ear buds in place listening to music etc.) that they cannot be waiting in the vestibule because other people can't get into the building and that it is against fire code. She is ignored One young lady was talking talking on her cell phone complaining to her friend on the phone how" she usually respect white old people" but "that bitch has to be fired for yelling at us.."
A few weeks ago when my bus arrived at the hub the door opened and I waited before getting on to make sure no one was getting off. The bus driver motioned for me to get on so I did and at that same time three blacks were decided to get off the bus. They pushed me aside and said get out of my way cracker. The bus driver quickly said next time use the back door to which they told him to get fucked. I think the three blacks were somewhere in their late 20's maybe early 30's. They probably came from a broken family with no parental support and I am sure the community failed them as they attempted to grow up in a society which seeks to enslave them.
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Post by corner on Feb 15, 2015 18:41:23 GMT -5
you can take the bunny out of the jungle but you cant take the jungle out of the bunny!
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Post by dave on Feb 15, 2015 22:38:21 GMT -5
I think the three blacks were somewhere in their late 20's maybe early 30's. They probably came from a broken family with no parental support and I am sure the community failed them as they attempted to grow up in a society which seeks to enslave them.[/quote] I don't have any problem with arresting them and throwing them in jail. In fact, let Corner rough them up a bit on the trip downtown. That's a solution to a particular problem of behavior. But my point in the last post was (or should have been) you can't use the police to solve a systemic problem. More police and more laws are not the answer to solving a societal problem. You can't arrest the whole damned neighborhood. You have to be smarter than that. The government needs to devise workable and fair policies that move us away from a striated economy and more losers than winners. And politicians need to stop selling themselves to blocks of minority votes. Look what is happening in Europe now with the Muslim population and figure you'll eventually see it here. I don't like big government and it doesn't have to be big to be workable and fair. I believe we are not stuck with insoluble problems in this country. What we have is a system where those who should be leading the effort to change are instead comfortable with the profits and not inclined to change. And to reiterate another point from my last post, you can scoff all you want at a set of beliefs that doesn't fit with reality or the truth, but it has enough truth in it to produces behavior like Alan witnessed on the bus. And you won't ever change anything by arguing who's right. We need effective policies and our leaders are not providing them. |
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