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Post by Clipper on Jan 7, 2011 19:02:24 GMT -5
I have deleted the original thread under the above topic. I was reminded by a member that this should be in a place on the forum that is open to public comment and not restricted to members.
It IS only fair that if we are going to discuss someone, they should be able to read the comments and answer any allegations made about them in person.
As the member reminding me stated, we should all hope that if we leave the forum, we will not be talked about in such a manner, in a restricted section where we cannot defend ourselves, and that maybe if this is discussed on the open forum, Larry might want to come back and defend his position and discuss it.
BZ stated that a political candidate should expect to be talked about, and that we talk about Obama all the time. Well, we do that on the open forum, and Barrack Obama is welcome to sign on become a member anytime he wishes, and is ALWAYS able to read the comments on the open forum.
So with all that in mind, feel free to comment on the topic, being reminded that Larry may be reading. There is little need in most cases to hide behind a curtain on a forum, especially when you are protected by a screen name in most cases. After having held the first clipper's corner forum picnic, many of us know who is behind some of the screen names, and after the bebop reunion, I am sure that many more of us know each other personally.
With that said, my name is Dick Naegele. They call me Clipper, a screen name derived from an old CB handle, Yankee Clipper, after my baseball hero, Joe DiMaggio. Many from here at "The Corner" know me by my given name on Face Book.
While I am probably the most outspoken and personally biased in my comments on many subjects, I don't feel any need to hide behind a keyboard, unidentified. I remain "Clipper" because I love this board, and I am proud to have started it with much help from friends like you all, and I am proud to have my name at the top of the page.
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Post by Clipper on Jan 7, 2011 19:24:39 GMT -5
Seems that it is rumored that Larry Tanoury Jr is going to make a run for the Mayor's office in the next Mayoral election. Much discussion ensued on the deleted thread, and the last comments hinted that he now is considering another run for the Oneida County Board of Legislators.
My personal opinion? I don't think he will be successful in either endeavor, and it became evident to me that he could not take the heat when the forum got hot after his failure to be re-elected in the legislative race.
I used to think he was quite viable as a candidate, but after he fell apart under pressure after his defeat, and dropped off the forum, I lost faith in his courage and ability to take the heat. I was quite disappointed to be quite honest. Most that were here at the time, will remember my encouraging him and cheering him on when he rallied to try and make change come about at the county level.
Having seen him become almost irrational, politically, in some of his actions and public comments after his failure to be re-elected, I really don't think that he could take the heat that is ALWAYS present in city politics, and especially in the Common Council chambers. They really take the gloves off and roll on the floor in there occasionally. The open hostility at the City level gets real personal. He stood up to it at the county level, but then just seemed to crumble, deflated, and defeated after the election didn't go in his favor.
While I lost my respect for him for the large part when he refused to answer comment on here, after we had given him an open forum and backed him in his efforts to bring about change. I thought it rather rude and cowardly after all the support he had received here at the corner. I always liked the kid, and wished him the best. I simply think that he probably has run the gamut as far as being politically viable in that area, especially for Mayor. I doubt that he will gain any backing from the Democrats after some of his remarks, and a grass roots campaign to run on a successful third party ticket would require more money than I imagine he can raise.
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Post by bobbbiez on Jan 7, 2011 22:34:20 GMT -5
 Clipper, I really have no idea or understand why you deleted the previous post. We were discussing Larry because of his political ways and I don't see where he was being attacked personally or any more so then another one who held office or is still in office. My God, Mayor Roefaro, our President and others have been crucified here on the Corner and those posts weren't deleted. Anyone can come on here as a guest or register and defend themselves if they want. Larry had no problems doing that in the past so what's the problem now. I have agreed with you on many other post that were deleted even if I didn't understand completely the reasonings and went along with the majority to not question why, but on this I do disagree. Nothing was being said that wasn't the truth or any different then another discussion about some one else in the public eye. Sorry kiddo, just giving my opinion on this matter. 
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Post by bobbbiez on Jan 7, 2011 22:42:57 GMT -5
Oops, forgot but I'm sure I have mention this before. My name is Barbara Ann (Salerno) Ziezio, alias bobbbiez/ Sunshine/ Bobbie. I live on Andes Avenue in Utica, NY and if you need my email address or phone number just ask and I have no problem giving it to anyone else. Sh*t, all was published in the newspaper plenty of times in articles of trying to find my adopted daughter's natural parents. I do not hide behind anything. Ya want me, I'm not hard to find. ;D
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 7, 2011 22:52:10 GMT -5
Well, I kinda liked Larry, personally, but I admit I have no idea whether he makes a good politician. For his sake, I can find myself wishing he won't so that he can get on with the important things in life like raising a family and contributing to his neighborhood, wherever he chooses to live. Local politics is not worth one's time, IMHO, and I know there are many here who would disagree with me. Tell the truth, sometimes I disagree with me on that one. But I have met few local politicians I would vote for, and some of them are friends! This is off topic, but I believe everything happens at the federal and state level. The rest is just a show, and unfortunately an opportunity for those trying to aggrandize themselves.
So ... Clipper, I'm glad you brought this discussion out in the open. And I agree with you about the irresponsible uses on anonymity. I believe public statements ... especially when expressing an opinion of someone's character or behavior ... should be made with attribution. Without it, we're just another Topix. I remember we had a guy here a few years ago with a weird screen name to whom ... when I got pissed off at him ... I put up my name, address, email, phone number and even a photo! Hahahaha! I challenged him to do the same, which he did, but in an email. I'm Dave Griffin and I live in halfway between Woodstock and Saugerties, NY. My email is dave@windsweptpress.com.
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Post by dgriffin on Jan 7, 2011 22:59:29 GMT -5
By the way ...
... do you think Ralph would catch me if I tried to register as Barack Obama?
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Post by Clipper on Jan 7, 2011 23:09:14 GMT -5
He might. Especially if you used your real photo for a profile picture, LOL.
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Post by Clipper on Jan 7, 2011 23:26:25 GMT -5
BZ and anyone else that doesn't understand why I deleted the past posts on the subject, here are the reasons:
1. The "Steam Room" states under it's title that it is a place where we can blow off steam or crab until our heart's content. It also says that it is not accessible unless you are a registered member. There is a difference between crabbing about something and ripping someone down and just demeaning him as we were doing on that thread.
2. The member that sent me a message stated that Larry should be able to see what people are saying about him, and should be able to defend himself. I agree. As much as I am disappointed in him and no longer support him in political endeavors, I have to agree and I still believe he should be able to again join the forum and defend his position against any naysayers. However much I disagree with him, we do not want to be that sort of forum. As Dave said, that would leave us no better than TOPIX, or like the Sue Arcuri blog where only she is allowed to post and no replies or comments are allowed. We do not want that.
3. When we have discussed Roefaro, Obama, Cuomo, Koziol, and others on here, it has been on the open forum where they could read and become members and reply if they wished to do so.
Try to understand. I am among the worst opinionated SOBs for jumping on someone's case and tearing them a new ass, but at least they should be able to jump back and defend themself. I apologize for any hard feelings, but it is only right that this forum show more integrity than TOPIX.
I thank the anonymous member who reminded me of the wrongdoing, and also Dave for the reference to TOPIX. WE NEVER want to go in that direction.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 8, 2011 2:44:19 GMT -5
Clipper, You know I don’t often interject in these thing unless I feel I need to, and I only post this here instead of a PM as I want everyone to see the method behind the madness.
While I do understand the thread deletion and the reason behind it, and I neither applaud nor condemn your actions, I will offer this as an appropriate solution for the next time this comes up.
Either the thread can be moved to an open section of the board, or it can be locked and linked to a new thread, thereby preserving the original intent of it being posted where it was and at the same time giving anyone who wants a chance to read it.
By the same token we have our own rules to follow as in part indicated below……
• The Staff do not condone, share, or solicit the opinions contained in this forum. All opinions are solely those of the individual members posting them. By keeping the posts up on the forums, the Staff does not impliedly agree with those positions.
• 2. The Staff will not tolerate the posting of any libelous material. If the Staff finds such posts or receives complaints about such posts, the Staff will delete those posts immediately and send the offending poster a private message. Upon a second violation, you account will be deleted and your IP address banned. This policy is to protect not only the Members from unnecessary legal liability, but also to protect the Staff.
3. The Staff will not allow any posts that contain personal information. "Personal Information" includes, but is not limited to: phone numbers, e-mail addresses, mailing addresses, passwords, etc.
This all being said, I would hope that we never get to the point where the members of this forum begin to dictate to either Staff or other registered members where/what/when/who or how we can post.
Many of us collaborated on the rules and format of the forum while it was being constructed, and while none of us on Staff are lacking in the enforcement of our own rules, we are pretty liberal in what we have allowed, but always erring on the side of caution when a problem arises.
End of story. I hope this doesn’t offend you or anyone else, that was not my intent.
As far as Larry goes…..I like Larry, he’s a good kid and I think will be a very good politician if he applies himself directly instead of trying to buck the system so much.
If you want to bury a body you dig a hole, but the American political system is a very big body……gonna take a big hole and can’t be done overnight.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 8, 2011 2:45:33 GMT -5
And Dave......I track all new members IP addy's, it would be a dead give away. |
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Post by bobbbiez on Jan 8, 2011 3:12:32 GMT -5
Clipper, believe me I wasn't offended. I just wondered why the post was deleted now when in the past we have spoken of many different people in the stream room and nothing was ever done or was it brought to anyones attention. Never really understood the concept of the stream room because of that. That's all. Doesn't make a difference to me. Just wanted to know why.
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Post by stoney on Jan 8, 2011 11:13:17 GMT -5
I can't believe this. The whole point was so "ding-dong" couldn't read it to begin with as he is uber-paranoid. There was not one thing he needed to defend himself against, as it was everything he had stated about running.
I'm very confused, as I thought we could talk about what we wanted where we wanted???
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Post by Clipper on Jan 8, 2011 12:26:11 GMT -5
The reason that the thread was not moved to the open forum is that some people had most likely posted knowing that the Steam Room was NOT on the open forum and was read by members only. It would not be fair to move those comments to the open forum, so they were deleted.
While I myself had posted to the thread, I paid little attention to the fact that it was under the Steam Room and not read by non members. I made a decision based on what I thought to be right, and even though I had made comments myself, I agree with the person that complained and believe that former members should not be vilified without being able to defend themselves if they wish on the open forum.
Right or wrong, that was a decision that I made. Ralph pretty much covers the subject and I agree with what Ralph has posted. I make decisions based on my own personal judgment. If I err, it will be on the side of what I deem proper, whether anyone agrees or not. I felt it necessary to explain the move and to open the thread on the open forum. I DID NOT think it right to simply make it disappear or delete it without explanation. Right or wrong, it was a judgment call, end of story.
As time goes on, I learn from Ralph, who has vast experience in moderating and administering a forum. I try to be fair, and if I err, all I can do is take notice and try not to make the same mistake in the future.
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Post by stoney on Jan 8, 2011 13:53:41 GMT -5
"I agree with the person that complained and believe that former members should not be vilified without being able to defend themselves if they wish on the open forum."I didn't think he was being vilified. Nothing was said that he needed to defend him self about in the 1st place. If we are members of this forum, we should be allowed to discuss what we want (within the rules, of course). I'm sure whomever complained to you C&P'ed the whole thing to what's-his-name anyway.
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Post by stoney on Jan 8, 2011 13:55:04 GMT -5
Oh, and have a good day, Larry!! I'm sure you'll be reading this...  |
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Clipper, I really have no idea or understand why you deleted the previous post. We were discussing Larry because of his political ways and I don't see where he was being attacked personally or any more so then another one who held office or is still in office. My God, Mayor Roefaro, our President and others have been crucified here on the Corner and those posts weren't deleted. 
