|
|
Post by Swimmy on Jan 20, 2010 16:15:55 GMT -5
 Funny, I didn't hear anything about this "public out cry" then and I live right here in the city and am involved in public affairs. All I heard was some being disappointed that either Mike Bailey or Mark Williams didn't get the position. Depending on who you talked to. Both are very well liked and both are very capable of handling the job.  But in the mean time, LaBella has proven he is also very capable of handling the position.  perhaps this will refresh your memory: Those are just some of the discussions and articles relating to the public outcry over labella's appointment. The recall began shortly after the announcement; it's when angie roefaro referred to Mr. Newell as a "crackpot." |
|
|
|
Post by bobbbiez on Jan 20, 2010 16:28:25 GMT -5
There are rules put in place and he didn't follow the rules therefore technically he shouldn't have been police chief. I compare this incident to Days of Our Lives, and Jersey Shore. Lucy, not arguing if he should be removed as Chief. That's up to those in the know and I will respect their decision. Just know he has done a very good job as Chief up to date. Sh*t, I better start to watch the Days of Our Lives and Jersey Shore. You're making me feel like I'm missing out on things but then it might be just as the life I lived and who wants to go through it all over again. ;D |
|
|
|
Post by bobbbiez on Jan 20, 2010 16:55:46 GMT -5
Funny, I didn't hear anything about this "public out cry" then and I live right here in the city and am involved in public affairs. All I heard was some being disappointed that either Mike Bailey or Mark Williams didn't get the position. Depending on who you talked to. Both are very well liked and both are very capable of handling the job. But in the mean time, LaBella has proven he is also very capable of handling the position. perhaps this will refresh your memory: Those are just some of the discussions and articles relating to the public outcry over labella's appointment. The recall began shortly after the announcement; it's when angie roefaro referred to Mr. Newell as a "crackpot." Must not have hung out at the right coffee shops, grocery stores or heard the phone calls concerning these issues and no one up to date has approached me to sign any petitions concerning these matters. ;D As far as the articles printed by the OD don't always take their word as gospel and do let things play out which I am doing with this. Not arguing if he should stay or leave. That will be decided by the ones in authority. By the way, whatever happened with the petitions and how many signatures did he obtain? Hopefully it was hand-held petitions for people to sign. Don't put any stock in email petitions. |
|
|
|
Post by Swimmy on Jan 20, 2010 17:09:42 GMT -5
Wow, forgive me. I did not realize you have been completely oblivious to current events since June 2009. Not trying to be offensive, but it was pretty public and hotly debated long before this week. Interesting that you would dismiss newspaper articles by the utica daily news and the od. No said to take it as gospel, but when they press release report what labella and roefaro actually said, verbatim, you can't just ignore it, unless your purposely being obtuse to avoid facing reality. Also, I'm shocked you did not attend the recall rally held outside city hall. If you read the threads and the articles, you'll know what happened. Unfortunately, there was a rift among the leadership and Mr. Newell had to call it off. There was also some question about the recall provision being constitutional. It's all in there. Really, to anyone paying attention these last few months, the news today is really nothing new. It's just finally come to light, there is more going on that just being reported, but that's where you can't trust the OD |
|
|
|
Post by bobbbiez on Jan 20, 2010 17:52:26 GMT -5
Wow, forgive me. I did not realize you have been completely oblivious to current events since June 2009. Not trying to be offensive, but it was pretty public and hotly debated long before this week. Interesting that you would dismiss newspaper articles by the utica daily news and the od. No said to take it as gospel, but when they press release report what labella and roefaro actually said, verbatim, you can't just ignore it, unless your purposely being obtuse to avoid facing reality. Also, I'm shocked you did not attend the recall rally held outside city hall. If you read the threads and the articles, you'll know what happened. Unfortunately, there was a rift among the leadership and Mr. Newell had to call it off. There was also some question about the recall provision being constitutional. It's all in there. Really, to anyone paying attention these last few months, the news today is really nothing new. It's just finally come to light, there is more going on that just being reported, but that's where you can't trust the OD Don't try be such a little smart a**! It doesn't become you. You are forgiven. Why would you be shocked? I may not get involved in all current affairs especially from April through Oct due to the fact you know I'm up to my camp for most of that period and I do not get the paper, but I am not oblivious to what's going on. Some things I leave to those in the know to handle. Got enough on my plate that I deal with. I'm sure all the problems I miss can be dealt with by others which is taking place now on this issue. ;D Forgive me? I too was being a little smart a** about Mr Newell's petition, cause I knew it went no where. Swimmy, I am not defending no one concerning this matter. I am stating that I feel LaBella has done a very good job as Chief. I'm sure the rest will come to light and will be resolved (with or without the OD's stories). |
|
|
|
Post by Swimmy on Jan 20, 2010 18:02:14 GMT -5
In all honesty, I was not trying to be a smart ass. I really thought you were more knowledgeable about the whole mess and was shocked you would dismiss it all. As I said in the beginning, I'm not in a position to really discuss his effectiveness, other than I don't think it was him alone; considering several factors, including the fact he was psc while crime was still on the rise. However, I was pointing out that this appointment was much more than mere politics as usual. And if it was only politics as usual, there would not have been such a loud public objection, including an attempted recall.
|
|
|
|
Post by bobbbiez on Jan 20, 2010 18:16:32 GMT -5
Swimmy, it's not always a matter of one dismissing things. Some things are left alone when things are already in the works by the proper channels. I'm sure you've learned that fact just by being in the position you hold. There is an old saying we have to abide by some times..........."a closed mouth gathers no feet." ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by Swimmy on Jan 20, 2010 18:41:30 GMT -5
Now I'm gonna be a smart ass. That saying must be extremely old because I've never heard of that one. I have heard that a rolling stone gathers no moss. ;D |
|
|
|
Post by bobbbiez on Jan 20, 2010 19:29:55 GMT -5
Now I'm gonna be a smart ass. That saying must be extremely old because I've never heard of that one. I have heard that a rolling stone gathers no moss. ;D It's probably as old as the one you quoted, smart a**! |
|
|
|
Post by Swimmy on Jan 20, 2010 19:32:57 GMT -5
hahahaha
|
|
|
|
Post by bobbbiez on Jan 20, 2010 19:45:35 GMT -5
Swimmy, now that you did hear it. You can carry it on for another generation. ;D Gotta love it!
|
|
|
|
Post by Ralph on Jan 21, 2010 0:29:45 GMT -5
Well.....one can do a seemingly good job and not be qualified.
And by the same token...one can be qualified and do a lousy job.
While LaBella may be doing a seemingly good job (and while you have an inside track there Bobbiez, I have a few there as well), all may not be as it seems.
And of course there are rules to follow as well, let alone the open display of nepotism in his appointment does not speak well for the administration itself.
It will be interesting to see how all play this game as it goes along its merry way.
|
|
|
|
Post by tanouryjr on Jan 21, 2010 1:10:01 GMT -5
Well said, Ralph and Swimmy. Interesting that the OD can be reliable when they report on me, but not so much when it's someone else. Fact is, whether he did a good job in the short 6 months or not (which is definitely up for debate), there are laws that need to be followed. Especially by the very people that take an oath to uphold them. There are further questions surrounding this that point to a much bigger problem too. The friends and family plan is not working. At least not for the average citizen. Government belongs to the people, not to a couple families. That may sound idealistic, but it's what this country was built on. I think they sent that message in Mass. yesterday.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2010 5:11:55 GMT -5
If Roefaro wants to end this matter he should petition the NYS Civil Service Commission to schedule the proper exam for Labella to take. If he passes the test, he's in. If not, he's out. Case closed. Problem is, there's a current list out there with 2 candidates on it, so the state may decline to administor another exam unless the 2 sign off. Not only that, but I don't see the C.S.C. jumping in to accomodate Roefaro or Labella after this fiasco.
|
|
|
|
Post by corner on Jan 21, 2010 7:16:11 GMT -5
lets face it folks the guy has people working for him who should have been chief that just make him look good....saying the man is a dumb as a box of rocks would be an insult to the rocks. and as far as roefaro goes he makes former mayor sal caruso look like a flaming genius.
|
|
Funny, I didn't hear anything about this "public out cry" then and I live right here in the city and am involved in public affairs. All I heard was some being disappointed that either Mike Bailey or Mark Williams didn't get the position. Depending on who you talked to. Both are very well liked and both are very capable of handling the job. 
