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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 16, 2009 16:48:38 GMT -5
She should get to Taze him right in his sack in front of his co-workers @ the sheriff's Xmas party and see if she can get his nose to glow. A little "demonstration" if you will. Huh, they already had a demonstration on themselves when it become part of their equipment. Kind of like when we bought a shock collar for our dog. Both my better half and I tested it on ourselves to know what our dog would be feeling. ;D
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 16, 2009 17:02:43 GMT -5
Clipper dear friend, do have one reserved with your name on it. Don't worry, can't harm you, cause your old battery needs recharging anyways. ;D Come to think of it..........I'm sure I can find an extra one for my dear friend Dave too. After all, what are friends for?
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 16, 2009 17:25:44 GMT -5
Let's not totally turn the argument into what the woman should have done. She was wrong, there is no question about that. But the deputy exercised very poor judgment, and if he worked for me I would worry each time he left the yard in police vehicle. There are never enough deputies and troopers and badge carrying cops to control the mass of people in any given jurisdiction. That's the reason why authority is carefully applied. It's the reason for uniforms and the display of equipment, etc. In the US, the police are aided by the public's good will. While it's true that the public must always understand the consequences of refusing to obey an officer, any police department would have to be crazy to allow such stunts as this to alienate the public and cause mostly law-abiding citizens to resent the police. "She was wrong, there's no question about it".....................yeah, so let's reward her with $75 K and that'll teach her children, the next generation, to continue to disrespect an officer's orders. That is the reason why there is alienation between the public and our law enforcers. "The deputy exercised very poor judgement".......yeah, and so did she. You don't reward someone when they were at fault. Would have been a different story if during this encounter with the officer, if he didn't take precaution, and if she decided to pulled out a gun and shoot him. Happens way too often, so I'm not one who will defend the bleeding heart who brought it on herself.
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Post by Ralph on Dec 17, 2009 3:00:55 GMT -5
Ya know, I have watched this quite a few times now, just to make sure I am seeing what I am seeing. She was wrong and confrontational, as Corner said, if she had stayed in the car with her hands on the wheel she would have been fine. But she didn’t, she came out of the vehicle and at that point invaded the officers “comfort zone”. If she had immediately got back in the vehicle as instructed she might have been fine, nope……she had to push the issue.
Now did the officer get carried away?
I’ll relate a story about when I lived in Georgia. Being a “Yankee” I wasn’t looked on any too friendly by some, and when a neighbor had watched me practicing Tai Chi outside one morning he decided that he would invite me to a local dojo to see what I was made of. So it was decided that we were going to practice some full contact self defense moves in a full contact Karate class. The first “student” did the classic bow with me and immediately moved into an offensive position, whereupon I kick him squarely between the legs and dropped him like a rock. The dojo’s Sensei wasn’t too happy with this and I guess they wanted to show the “Yankee” how it really was in the outside world. So next I was to be “attacked”. OK, next “student” runs up and grabs me by the arms to throw me…….whereupon I head butted him and broke his nose.
Needless to say no one was pleased with me since I wasn’t going to fight fair. I was asked why I acted so. I replied that there is no “fair” in a fight, nor is there any honor in it, it is simply who walks away. I walked away, and needless to say was given a wide berth the rest of the time I lived there.
Now, when you are out on the street, alone and confronted by someone who is not following your commands, you have two choices……be fair and polite or use what force you deem necessary to control the situation and diffuse it if possible.
Did the officer call in on the plates when he was in the process of pulling the vehicle over? Most certainly he did, but the reply is not instantaneous, sometimes taking as much as ten minutes or so if the systems are up and not clogged with other requests. And then that only reflects the present status of the vehicle and its registration, nothing about the driver.
Did the officer get carried away? Maybe……but then again, he went home that night.
I have seen videos of others in that position that didn’t. They ALL want to go home at night.
"I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."
I'm willing to bet that the jury that decided that case didn't have one LE officer on it, nor had any of them ever been in such a confrontational position in their lives.
They should have given her a $100 for her trouble and told her she was lucky he had a Taser and didn't blow her one of her kneecaps off instead.
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Post by corner on Dec 17, 2009 7:24:19 GMT -5
amen i belong to several LEO websiteswith a;ccess to many of these videos most with voice and so far the most confrontational i have seen have been with women who were insensed that they were stopped and belive me they can shoot their mouths off an escalate a simple stop into some of what we have seen here..then they have the nerve to complain bitterly about there treatment as they were so innocent...
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Post by corner on Dec 17, 2009 8:55:47 GMT -5
it can be difficult to cuff somebody who is confrontational my technique was to grab them by the throat squeeze hard then foot sweep them very hard into the ground roll them over by the shoulder and with my knee on their neck cuff them hard ratched as tight as they would go would you have rather seen that happen anybody who i had to cuff and was cooperative got a much gentler treatment but with my body bladed and gun guarded just in case they decided to change their mind... would you feel better if the deputy slammed her into the car and twisted her arm until she complied with lawful orders.
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Post by stoney on Dec 17, 2009 10:17:37 GMT -5
I'm always amazed when I see how cops cuff people on TV. Those guys know what they're doing, boy, & I give them credit. I'd never be able to do it (all I can do is slip them off ;D).
I have always respected police & comply with whatever they say.
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Post by corner on Dec 17, 2009 10:27:48 GMT -5
I'm always amazed when I see how cops cuff people on TV. Those guys know what they're doing, boy, & I give them credit. I'd never be able to do it (all I can do is slip them off ;D). I have always respected police & comply with whatever they say. and if you think you were right thats what traffic court is for
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Post by stoney on Dec 17, 2009 10:47:49 GMT -5
huh? Right about what?
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 17, 2009 11:06:22 GMT -5
Dave, where in my post did I agree with the officer's action. If anything I just agreed with you that they "both" over reacted. With common sense, in defense of the officer, if she had simply complied with his order (he is the law) none of this would have to be discussed now. Don't know about your household but in mine, if my kids were fighting, one provoking and the other retaliates, "both" would be punished. Would always tell them that is what I am here for....to settle the argument. Just as in hockey and many other sports, if one player provokes and the other retaliates,"both" are given penalties. One does not get punished (as the officer is) and the other gets rewarded (as she is). Proper action on her part would have been take her compliant to the officer's superior. Bottom line, this is a frivolous, outrageous lawsuit, which is ruining us as a society. Not to mention the message it's giving out that it is okay to ignore an police officer's order. Dave, you of all people who is in the fore-ground bitching about President Obama's programs that is costing the taxpayer's too much money should be the first not happy with this settlement. I'm positive the people in that county are not clapping their hands over the fact that their legislators gave away $75K of their tax dollars to someone who is being rewarded for breaking the law.
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Post by Clipper on Dec 17, 2009 11:17:40 GMT -5
Heck Stoney, when they stop you and walk up to the window, they are probably shocked to see a driver in a leather leotard and fishnet stockings, with a bull whip coiled on the seat next to her. They most likely retreat to their patrol car and call for SWAT backup. hahaha.
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Post by stoney on Dec 17, 2009 11:22:12 GMT -5
I honestly mean that Dave! I've always been that way, even when I got arrested.
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Post by bobbbiez on Dec 17, 2009 11:27:19 GMT -5
lol!!!! Just thought of something. A few months ago I was watching a talk show which was discussing how ignorant the public is to understanding police orders in traffic stops. The proposal came up to mandate a class for all people with drivers license to take so the public would be informed on proper reactions to an officer's request and why the officer makes those request. Naturally, like a safe-driving course all would be obligated to pay for the course out of their own pockets. Well, I almost fell over laughing so hard. I was actually thinking the public can't be that stupid that we'd need something like this. Guess what??? After this incident, I believe otherwise now. I would gladly pay, along with those that need to be informed, to have this course instituted. ;D
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Post by corner on Dec 17, 2009 11:32:12 GMT -5
not speeding not talking on a cell phone etc, no sense in arguing with the guy with the weapons
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Post by stoney on Dec 17, 2009 11:34:48 GMT -5
Ohhhh....I thought you were talking about me.
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