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Post by Ralph on Dec 13, 2009 1:54:12 GMT -5
You know me Larry, I tend to play Devils Advocate all the time!
Personally………I am home by that time and could really care less if someone wants to drink themselves into a stupor till 4 or just wants to hang out with friends till then.
It may be a good thing it may not.
I know you are trying your best to set a trend for bucking the system as it is, and right you should. And ditto for trying to save us all some money…….just that some others could care less than you do.
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Post by fiona on Dec 13, 2009 6:45:36 GMT -5
house parties where hundreds of young people can go to drink, abuse drugs and each other are the obvious answer to this problem. Let's just turn Oneida Square into one huge open air house party a nd charge anyone $5.oo to get in! That should fill the city coffers - er coffins. Sorry.
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Post by Clipper on Dec 13, 2009 12:42:49 GMT -5
Larry says " Unfortunately, I'm just one vote and the rest of the board has proven to me (with the election results) that it is much safer to just go along with the crowd instead of proposing bold ideas (even if people disagree with some)."
Don't ever take the road that goes along with the crowd Larry. It is better to be defeated by an evil force than to join hands with them and become one with them. Defeat in the election is not the most horrible of fates.
Seeing the crap stirred by the underhanded garbage from Hendricks has probably opened some eyes. You may very well be re-elected in the next election, and MANY of the opposition may be defeated.
Don't ever become discouraged. You have brought daylight into a lot of dark places in the legislative process in Oneida County. Don't ever forget that fact. YOU and a few that sided with you really upset the apple cart and caused a lot of heartburn and worry for those that were protecting the same old standard operating procedure for the underhanded in county government.
Every video that you made, and every little incident of backroom dealing that you brought to light was a step on the road to exposing the crap and changing the way they should be doing business.
If I were you I would continue to attend the meetings that are open to the public and I would continue to make videos, even after you leave office.
I am sure you dad will support my belief that you need to out there and stay visible. Be loud and proud Larry. YOU are right and they are wrong.
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Step outside, If I am not out there in 5 min then start without me.
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Post by Just The Facts on Dec 13, 2009 13:00:47 GMT -5
I am a college student and I work two jobs. I am not telling anyone how to live. I am stating that college is for getting an education. Ask around to different colleges and find out how much drinking affects students. Peer pressure is out there yes but what happened to common sense and willpower? To sum up underage drinking is due to rebellion may be a trendy thing to say but every person has their own individual mind. One does not have to adhere to the crowds way of acting if they choose not to. Be a leader not a follower. That is what I am trying to say.
I do not have anything against anyone drinking as long as they keep their drama to themselves. Once the drama seeps out into the community then I am going to voice my objections. People who live near bars should be the ones with the most important feedback as well as law enforcement.
When someone is looking to change a zoning to commercial, the homeowners within that locale have a right to block it. I live near bars and I do not wish to listen to the stuff that goes on outside the bars any longer than 2am. I have to wake up for work.
The thing is that some people in this area can't just drink and have fun. They have to start trouble. They have to cause noise in the neighborhood. They cause the police to intervene and who wants flashing lights and noise in their neighborhood that late at night? Kids are in bed for school and adults are in bed for work.
What irks me is how people make choices that they think will only affect themselves but it usually affects others. The community suffers because of their choices.
I am against abortion but you will not see me in front of Planned Parenthood picketing. People who have abortions make their own choice. They have to live with that choice, not me. You can not lump all Christians together. I am not like most Christians. I may not agree with what a lot of people do in life but I can not judge them that is up to God.
I am off subject of the topic, I apologize but I just to point out that people have their own choices in life but once you start affecting others with your choices then it becomes an issue. In a fantasy world, all bars would not be in residential areas and everyone that drinks does not drive. Police labor will not rise. I would support a bar being open to 4am then.
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Post by stoney on Dec 15, 2009 7:48:53 GMT -5
" I have no family or close friends that own a bar - a cousin did own 12 North for a while but sold it over a year ago."~~Larry
Kathleen Arcuri's husband, Larry?
Back to the topic, I have no morals or values & DO believe in "If it feels good, do it". That has nothing to do with my position on this. I just cannot see any good coming from it. The kids aren't old enough to drink anyways, so that negates the argument that it would attract them to come here to college.
If you think there should be a lower drinking age, well that's a dog of a different feather & one that needs to be brought up to the state (I think?), not the county.
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Post by Will on Dec 15, 2009 10:05:44 GMT -5
While I don't often frequent bars anymore, I do however think they should be open until 4am. C'mon people... Step out of the dark ages and get with the times. I mean really... Get over yourselves. If people are gonna drink and drive they are gonna do it at 2am or 4am. It's called personal responsibility. People should have the right to visit a drinking establishment whenever they want.
Will Dahlke
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Post by Will on Dec 15, 2009 10:11:21 GMT -5
And not for nothing, most folks are at Denny's drinking in the lot and eating steak and eggs till 4am anyway. the ones that go home right after at 2 are safe. Wouldn't it make it easier for the cops to catch the ones that choose to drink and drive at 4am after most everyone else has gone home?
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Post by stoney on Dec 15, 2009 10:24:16 GMT -5
" People should have the right to visit a drinking establishment whenever they want."~~Will So....you are in favor of keeping them open 24/7, correct? " C'mon people... Step out of the dark ages and get with the times. I mean really... Get over yourselves."~~Will Haha!!! ' Dark ages'  I would like to see marijuana legalized. How about you?
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Post by stoney on Dec 15, 2009 10:34:01 GMT -5
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Post by Swimmy on Dec 15, 2009 10:44:09 GMT -5
I am a college student and I work two jobs. I am not telling anyone how to live. I am stating that college is for getting an education. Ask around to different colleges and find out how much drinking affects students. Peer pressure is out there yes but what happened to common sense and willpower? To sum up underage drinking is due to rebellion may be a trendy thing to say but every person has their own individual mind. One does not have to adhere to the crowds way of acting if they choose not to. Be a leader not a follower. That is what I am trying to say. But you are. Just by the very statement, "College students should be in bed or studying at 0400." In any case, I was a leader in college. During my collegiate career as a swimmer, I alone helped change it from a "drinking team with a swimming problem" (yes, that's what my freshman year captain said at our first team meeting) to a swim team. I gummed up the "team bonding experiences" by refusing the drink when I didn't want to. It pissed off the upper classmen and I received a lot of flak for it. But by the time I was a senior, the "team bonding experiences" were wholly voluntary and we came up with other ways to bond the team together, e.g. team dinners. We still did a lot of stupid stuff, like cliff diving or having a snowball fight in florida with jellyfish, but we were sober. During one of our spring barbecues on the apartment roof, two people came up to me (a freshman, and a junior). The junior thanked me for breaking the "tradition" and making it cool for him to still hang out and not be forced to drink. I did that by constantly inviting him to our team functions, even the ones with alcohol. To the naysayers, I convinced them he'd be a good designated driver. Now, at each alumni reunion, he's the life of the party, and he always looks back to me to acknowledge my role. The freshman started his year borderline alcoholic. By spring time, he changed his ways and had improved academically as a result. He told me he hated me for not always drinking with them when I had work to get done. Then after his first semester realized I had a balance that few on the team had. He ended up thanking me and looking up to me for sticking to my rule of work first play later. So, no need to lecture me on being a leader. I do not have anything against anyone drinking as long as they keep their drama to themselves. Once the drama seeps out into the community then I am going to voice my objections. People who live near bars should be the ones with the most important feedback as well as law enforcement. When someone is looking to change a zoning to commercial, the homeowners within that locale have a right to block it. I live near bars and I do not wish to listen to the stuff that goes on outside the bars any longer than 2am. I have to wake up for work. Agreed. And that's fine. But don't make blanket statements without the facts to support it. Remember, you can always move to a quieter place too. The thing is that some people in this area can't just drink and have fun. They have to start trouble. They have to cause noise in the neighborhood. They cause the police to intervene and who wants flashing lights and noise in their neighborhood that late at night? Kids are in bed for school and adults are in bed for work. And I doubt keeping the bars open later is going to change that. Not all kids are in bed for school, and not all adults are in bed for work. Majority? I would like to think so. As I've said before, people who want to drink until 4 will drink until 4 irrespective the idea of keeping the bars open until 4. I know that from personal experience. I would be in bed sleeping for an early class and get a phone call at 5 for me to pick up my drunk friends from some house party that was still very much going on. I did it because I didn't want them driving home drunk. But don't assume that because the bars close at 2 everyone is going home to sleep. What irks me is how people make choices that they think will only affect themselves but it usually affects others. The community suffers because of their choices. And that is why I support a tougher dwi law. First offense is a felony. If you kill someone while driving drunk, it's intentional murder. You intended to drink until you were drunk, and you intended to get into the vehicle and drive, despite knowing it's against the law to do so, and despite knowing the dangers of drunk driving. I am against abortion but you will not see me in front of Planned Parenthood picketing. People who have abortions make their own choice. They have to live with that choice, not me. You can not lump all Christians together. I am not like most Christians. I may not agree with what a lot of people do in life but I can not judge them that is up to God. MUSIC TO MY EARS! Are you free tonight? lol just kidding. But you just said what I've been preaching to my friends and colleagues for years. I am off subject of the topic, I apologize but I just to point out that people have their own choices in life but once you start affecting others with your choices then it becomes an issue. In a fantasy world, all bars would not be in residential areas and everyone that drinks does not drive. Police labor will not rise. I would support a bar being open to 4am then. In a fantasy world? I'm still waiting for the studies on whether police labor would increase. I've seen nothing to support it, but I'm open to learning differently. |
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Post by Swimmy on Dec 15, 2009 10:47:29 GMT -5
"Wouldn't it make it easier for the cops to catch the ones that choose to drink and drive at 4am after most everyone else has gone home? "~~Will HUH? That makes no sense. I disagree. As I've stated a few times now, people who are out at 4 a.m. are going to be out, regardless whether a bar is open until 4. Many are at other people's houses, or other secluded areas. Will, and correct me if I'm wrong, is suggesting that by keeping the bars open until 4, those drinkers will be choraled at the bars instead of someone's house, etc., thereby making it easier for the police to monitor and arrest should they attempt to drive home drunk. |
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Post by Swimmy on Dec 15, 2009 10:48:35 GMT -5
[Haha!!! ' Dark ages' I would like to see marijuana legalized. How about you? Yes, count my vote. |
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Post by stoney on Dec 15, 2009 10:49:02 GMT -5
Swimmy you're too sexy for your speed-o..
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Post by Swimmy on Dec 15, 2009 10:50:00 GMT -5
So sexy it hurts!  |
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Post by stoney on Dec 15, 2009 10:52:48 GMT -5
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I would like to see marijuana legalized. How about you?
