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Post by Clipper on May 6, 2023 8:29:15 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/a-man-took-his-tesla-on-a-road-trip-for-the-first-time-and-tells-ev-owners-to-beware-of-the-charging-curve/ar-AA1aOyfz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=00286bb751b640b2a147742f07ac6dca&ei=62My youngest son has a Tesla and he enjoys commuting with it and driving around locally, but when they go on a road trip they drive my daughter in-law's F-150 extended cab pickup. ( They rented an F-150 a couple of years ago to pull a motorcycle trailer to Indiana and back when my son had his Harley customized. For some odd reason she really loved the truck and ended up trading her "soccer mom" minivan for a truck with the luxury interior package. Go figure.) They have a charging setup at their house, but one has to wonder how it impacts their utility bill compared to buying gas for an economical internal combustion vehicle. I don't see myself buying and electric car anytime in the near future unless forced to do so. I might at some point consider a plug-in hybrid but don't like the idea of being wholly dependent on charging stations to keep from being dead on the side of the road and requiring a tow to the nearest charging station.
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on May 6, 2023 9:40:12 GMT -5
I understand a person is charged the same electric rate that they pay for electricity at there house.
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Post by clarencebunsen on May 6, 2023 12:18:36 GMT -5
In all the discission of electric vehicles, I never see consideration of electrical generation, transmission and distribution from an electrical engineering or an environmental impact perspective. I am not an electrical engineer but I am the son of one who spent his career working for "the power company." After he retired he started a consulting company and his former employer was his biggest customer.
I have a good idea of the capacity in my home. I do not have the capacity for an additional 240v load to charge. The A/C and the dryer use up what is available. I don't think "Honey, I need to turn off the A/C so I can charge the Tesla" is a conversation I would ever consider.
Capacity further up the electrical supply chain is harder for me to judge but I suspect that any major shift of personal vehicle use from fossil fuel to electric will cause issues all the way up the supply chain to the generators.
Generation: additional fossil fuel in generation will not happen. That leaves us water, wind and solar. The places in large rivers where a big dam could be erected and impounded water could be fed through generators were used up years ago. We could start doing things like converting the Sauquoit Creek into a series of millponds with small generators but I think that would be expensive and unpopular. Wind and solar are dependent on time and weather. I think we could use wind and solar to pump water from a low storage place to a high storage place and then running it through hydro generators back to low storage when needed. Like using batteries for storage but lower tech and no hard to mine materials needed to build batteries.
One of the possible resources for generation is nuclear fission. A big no no for NY and most of the rest of the US. Certainly no company would consider one in NY after the hatchet job Cuomo the First did on the one that was going to be built on LI.
Transmission: Those are the big powerlines that bring electricity from the generating plants to the cities and towns where they live. No one wants them near their home but everyone wants what they deliver. Transmission lines can be buried but that is expensive. Just like everything else in life: if you want it but are not willing to have it delivered to the place where you buy it, don't buy it.
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Post by BHU on May 7, 2023 11:18:23 GMT -5
The next lousy Repulican elected POTUS be it Trump or whoever will put a stop to any government initiatives regarding EV'S, solar & whatever to address climate change which is a fact of life whether people are in denial about it or not. There's just going to kick the can down the road until it's too late to avoid a climate catastrophe. Personally, I think we're already there. The planet is experiencing a mass extinction right this minute & some of it is the result of climate change. Our children & grandchildren are going to suffer the "sins of the father", so to speak.
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Post by Clipper on May 7, 2023 11:31:01 GMT -5
Can't say I am against climate change remedies, but neither the country OR the rest of the world is anywhere close to ready to eliminate internal combustion vehicles. There is a lot of work yet to be done to make EVs a reliable and dependable means of transportation. It has nothing to do with partisan politics. What the hell is a repulican? Is it similar to a democrap? lol  EVs may be the future, but there is much work to be done on the power grid before it ever becomes feasible to outlaw gasoline and diesel engines, and it becomes more and more evident that nuclear power is the only feasible method to produce that much power if we do away with fossil fueled generating plants. CB, you mention pumping water from a lower reservoir to a higher one to reuse the water for hydropower generation potential. Is that not what the Blenheim Gilboa project does? |
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on May 7, 2023 15:17:59 GMT -5
What with the new New York State no new buildings are allowed to have natural gas appliances. I still wonder when buildings that currently using natural gas have to convert to electricity by law. I wonder who pays for that...
There is a new type of charging device for EV's. The charging pad is contained in a concrete casing that lies flat on any drive way or parking lot. You drive your car directly over the charging plate and the battery is powered up. I was watching the demonstration on TV and it was said that plows would be able to drive right over them with no damage to the charging plate.
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Post by BHU on May 7, 2023 17:49:28 GMT -5
I guess I misspelled republican. We all know who they are & what they stand for. They belong to the same outfit who deny climate change because of whatever motives drives their reasoning. The same outfit who are responsible for the mass shootings occuring practically weekly in this Country like another one yesterday in Texas, 8 dead. But we can feel better & reassured that Abbott, Texas guv is offering up another round of "thoughts & prayers" for the families of the deceased as he lines his pockets off the NRA & the gun lobby. Keep those AR's & the cash rollin, rollin, rollin. Blood money.
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Post by clarencebunsen on May 7, 2023 18:19:23 GMT -5
Can't say I am against climate change remedies, but neither the country OR the rest of the world is anywhere close to ready to eliminate internal combustion vehicles. There is a lot of work yet to be done to make EVs a reliable and dependable means of transportation. It has nothing to do with partisan politics. What the hell is a repulican? Is it similar to a democrap? lol EVs may be the future, but there is much work to be done on the power grid before it ever becomes feasible to outlaw gasoline and diesel engines, and it becomes more and more evident that nuclear power is the only feasible method to produce that much power if we do away with fossil fueled generating plants. CB, you mention pumping water from a lower reservoir to a higher one to reuse the water for hydropower generation potential. Is that not what the Blenheim Gilboa project does? For a supposedly smart guy, how did I miss that one? Now we need to use wind and solar to pump the water. Put some of the solar panels above the lake to reduce evaporation and there are high places in the area for wind generators. You two play nice or I will send you to your rooms. |
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Post by Clipper on May 7, 2023 18:44:50 GMT -5
"You two play nice or I will send you to your rooms?" Can we take our laptops with us? LOL
The ex-wife worked for the power authority and they held a company picnic at their visitor's center there, catered by Brook's BBQ. I took my boat, checked out the lake, and fished for a while after the picnic. The visitor's center is quite interesting and informative, and the picnic area is a nice place for a family picnic. I never checked to see if there was any public access to the upper reservoir.
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Post by Clipper on May 9, 2023 10:26:46 GMT -5
www.wktv.com/news/residents-say-newport-solar-project-isnt-worth-it/article_fed102be-ee18-11ed-a700-bf0f103bf0c6.htmlIf solar and wind are to be a necessity they should be built in industrial areas, not in agricultural or residential areas. Solar farms as well as wind farms are a blight on the visual senses and an assault on the horizon and scenic vistas the area is known for. I understand wind farms having to be built on hilltops in rural areas but solar farms can be built anywhere and sacrificing viable farmland and the serenity of living in the country with the scenic views. The wind farms in Herkimer County, near Fairfield NY, as well as the Madison County wind farms have marred and scarred the horizon with the bird killing, ugly windmills where nothing but beautiful views and scenery were formerly present on the horizon. I have frequently wondered why EV's are not simply equipped with solar panels built into the roofs of the vehicle in a similar fashion as present day sun and moon roofs. That alone would take some of the burden off the power grid.
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on May 9, 2023 15:20:16 GMT -5
When I was returning home today I noticed several houses in the New Hartford and New York Mills and Yorkville are with solar panels on the roofs. My brother has them on his house and he even sells back to National Grid the excess electrical power he generates. A friend of mine in Marcy is have them installed on his roof this summer his next door neighbor has them and swears by them.
There is a huge wing farm out toward the Herkimer area I forgot exactly where. I never saw the turbines moving. Farmers could very well do well if they move toward electrical farming; they certainly got the land...
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Post by Clipper on May 10, 2023 7:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by clarencebunsen on May 10, 2023 15:40:11 GMT -5
The solution is an electrical supply grid. |
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Post by Atticus Pizzaballa on May 11, 2023 11:15:56 GMT -5
The solution is an electrical supply grid. How would that grid work! |
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Post by clarencebunsen on May 12, 2023 7:47:46 GMT -5
A bit of a joke since we already have a supply grid, we just aren't keeping up. Our demand has been growing much faster than generation or transportation consequently distribution (the third element of the chain) is overwhelmed. Adding things like rooftop solar helps (it is distributed generation which sometimes feeds back into the grid rather than drawing from it) but in a state like NY it is only a small help.
Community solar helps a bit but not enough. PSAs about reducing demand are a joke (try convincing people to not use A/C on a warm day). Proposals for new generation in NY are nil since Cuomo the First shut down construction on an approved nuclear plant on LI. Off shore wind farms cause problems with migrating marine mammals. Don't put a wind farm anywhere near MY home.
I rejected rooftop solar for MY house a few years ago because it would have meant cutting down a coupe of maple trees. I like my trees but I don't hug them when the National Grid bill comes.
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