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Post by dan on Jul 16, 2008 20:48:14 GMT -5
www.uticaod.com/homepage/x390633094/Home-heating-oil-will-cost-you-720-more-this-winterIt's nice to see that Chuckie remembers the party line, but conservation will only go so far and alternative sources of energy are still 10 to 20 years away. We need to drill for every drop of oil on American soil to take us through until the alternative energy sources are commercially available. Increase the supply to meet the demand and the cost will drop - economics 101.
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 16, 2008 21:04:10 GMT -5
"Home heating oil will cost you $720 more this winter " Maybe if you live in a chicken coop or a teepee. I burn 1,000 gallons a year. I calculate it will cost me $2,000 MORE this year.  |
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Post by wilum47 on Jul 17, 2008 18:44:39 GMT -5
"Home heating oil will cost you $720 more this winter " Maybe if you live in a chicken coop or a teepee. I burn 1,000 gallons a year. I calculate it will cost me $2,000 MORE this year. $2k is what the chief papoose says here too! Oh by the way as you disclosed at another post she's a red head too! |
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Post by Ralph on Jul 17, 2008 21:52:58 GMT -5
Can't imagine that Natural Gas will stay the same either.
It all goes up.
Shoot me now.
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Post by stoney on Jul 18, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
No, Ralph. Remember, Betty needs you. Screw the gas prices this winter.
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Post by Ralph on Jul 19, 2008 1:40:47 GMT -5
Mmmmm.........I'll be saying that right up to the day they shut it off. We don't sell this place we'll be in heap big shit come winter. 
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Post by stoney on Jul 19, 2008 10:26:21 GMT -5
Can you burn that for fuel?? ;D
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 19, 2008 11:48:48 GMT -5
Yes, it burns quite well, if thoroughly dried. The Plains Indians burned buffalo chips. They sat around the camp fire and shot the dried dung into the flames over the course of a lovely evening under the stars on long winter nights in North Dakota. That's where the phrase, "shooting the shit" comes from. I think.  |
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Post by wilum47 on Jul 19, 2008 14:55:40 GMT -5
Well gang,
I went and wasted a half hour this morning so I thought you could waste a couple of minutes looking at my work. Not sure if the destination will read it. I felt better though:
Mr. Arcuri,
First let me thank you for not responding to my previous mailings. I expected such considerations from today’s democrat.
Last week oil went down around $16 a barrel right after President Bush announced his withdraw of the two executive orders regarding drilling restrictions for oil. BUT DON”T FRET! Your main stream media buddies are drowning that thought from the sheeple that do not read and listen to alternative resources.
My point is I am a typical middle class worker with a 16 year old daughter and a wife disabled enough that holding a job is difficult. I work as a volunteer fireman and I am district secretary for which I earn a small income.
Why am I concerned that I won’t be able to afford to heat my home with oil heat prices expected.
I am keen enough to understand that the US just returning to being a great oil country scares the hell out of others and as seen this week oil prices WILL go down.
So for once in 40 years can you democrats forget the gotcha game and legislate the return of all our safe fuels, including nuclear, and hold off you environ-wackos from starting law suits as soon as industry starts up again. And you know you can reduce the red tape too.
Once a democrat,
Wilum (yes, I did use my real name)
Marcy, NY 13403
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Post by wilum47 on Jul 19, 2008 22:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jul 20, 2008 7:16:40 GMT -5
Ralph,
As much as I hate to disagree with Dave, given what I assume is the make up of your household diet, simply drying the family dung output may not provide you with the BTU content you desire. (Buffalo dung has a much higher fiber content than that provided by coffee & donuts.)
My suggestion: a waste digester to produce methane. If you can find a copy of "The Mother Earth News Handbook of Homemade Power," you can read a chapter if how-to's on setting one up. My 1974 copy is not allowed to leave the house. I may need it.
To increase the output of your digester, you may want to consider adding green waste to the mix, my neighbors have plenty by the roadside for every town pick-up.
Interesting side light. I just Googled "Gobar gas" and the first hit was the same article as that in the Handbook with almost no updates. Included in the non-updates was the expert prediction that "the world will run out of refinable oil within 30 years." Remember this was published in 1974, I'm not sure what I've been putting in my tank for the past 4 years.
To quote a wise man, "another topic, gone to the sh***er."
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Post by Clipper on Jul 20, 2008 7:58:15 GMT -5
Heck, the BS'ers on here can fuel the world. We will just have to crank up production, haha.
I told a kid that worked for me at the base once, that if ships were made of bullshit, he could make Aristotle Onassis look like Fern's Boat Livery by comparison.
My only question is how do we increase the fibre in discussion, in order to better enhance the threads before we send them down the shitter, and who will reroute the shitter to a holding tank for the drying facility.
I am reminded of a thread about outdoor wood furnaces in Deerfield, that drew a lot of activity on the OD forums. I gotta say, I would not want one next door to me if they were burning SHIT!
Could have a very negative impact on the BBQ world also. I envision someone sitting in a restaurant, telling the waiter "this brisket tastes like shit!" The waiter simply says "Yes sir. We have quit using hickory chips in our smoker, and use only the finest buffalo chips."
I am not at all worried. I will simply seal the house up well, and verbalize all that I presently write, and the hot air will keep us toasty all winter, no problem! LOL
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Post by dgriffin on Jul 20, 2008 8:13:20 GMT -5
CB, it's fascinating to learn that you and I may have shared the same pipedreams in the 1970's when we bought our copies of "The Mother Earth News Handbook of Homemade Power." My heart did a flip-flop when I read that part of your post, wondering if I still had my copy. I could see the red book-back up there on the top shelf, and soon a climb of the ladder verified I still owned the book.
I love the pen and ink illustrations of handsome young families sitting around their wood stoves, baking bread as they casually throw another log on the fire. Winter's end and the coming sap season will also bring the opening up of their road from Hooeten Holler, in case they want to check in to a hospital. Dad could surely use more antibiotics for the chain saw wound on his knee; he ran out just after Ground Hog Day.
I purchased my copy of the Homemade power book shortly after buying the remnants of this old farm in 1977, after convincing my wife we could live just like the characters in the TV show, "Green Acres." She could keep her city conveniences while I grew everything we would need for a satisfying life, arriving home at night from a large nearby corporation, changing out of my suit into bib overalls. She never believed me, but she's been kind enough to only occasionally tell me I'm crazy.
"I'm going to build the Homemade Perpetual Motion Hydraulic Ram Pump on page 110," I told her one morning at breakfast, after the kids had left for school.
"Hmmm?" she said.
"It will pump water from the creek back in the woods into the pond," I said.
"We don't have a pond."
"Not yet, but Phil down the road said he can dig us one with his digger-thingy."
"The one that never works?"
"It works often enough," I said. “And the best part is I won't have to pay him, because we're making a trade."
At this, her radar lit up and I got her full attention.
"Phil digs our pond,” I continued, “and we'll keep the pigs he's going to buy."
The what ... ?"
"Pigs," I said, as innocently as possible. "There is plenty of room for them down behind the old chicken coop. And, as a bonus, we'll get any meat from pigs that finish out over 200 pounds. I drove a hard bargain."
"But," she said, "pigs stink!"
"Not if you do it right,"
"You said that about goat's milk. And your children still refuse to speak to you after you forced them to drink it."
"Only for a week," I said.
“Right …. you couldn’t take any more of it.”
I never built the Hydraulic Ram Pump and Phil never dug the pond or bought the pigs. The idea sort of evaporated. Phil later accused my wife of calling his wife to tell her what we were up to. But I denied this could happen, since I maintain such good control over my spouse.
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Post by Clipper on Jul 20, 2008 8:29:47 GMT -5
Your mind amazes me Dave. You can make a funny story from any topic that comes up, in a matter of minutes. I love it. I hope you will embellish on Phil and the Pigs, and on the perpetual motion hydraulic ram pump on page 110. It would make a great addition to your short story collection.
I am not just stroking your ego. You truly are a brilliant story teller, and writer. I think we all agree that you are a great asset to the "Corner" and bring us a chuckle daily, along with your serious and well researched info on other subjects.
Let us know when the Phil and the pig's story is ready to be read on the Windswept Press. LOL
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Post by clarencebunsen on Jul 20, 2008 9:04:58 GMT -5
Dave,
What a missed oportunity! Your hydraulic ram pump could have been the basis for an automated flush system for the pigs (they can be hard to toilet train) sending the waste to directly to the methane digester and also power for the methane compresser. A little carbureator work to convert your vehicle to methane and your commute could have been free as well.
Do you think Mr. Hebert's home made dam for his hydraulic ram lasted past the first winter?
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