I know a lot of people personally who use vaping products in lieu of smoking cigarettes. Now it seems that vaping is no safer than smoking. I am amazed at the amount of vapor that is exhaled when someone is vaping. I was behind a young couple recently as we were stopped waiting for a flagman to motion us through a one lane construction zone. It was humorous to see. They were both vaping and blowing the vapor out their respective care windows. these huge clouds were coming out the windows. It looked like they had a Kia Soul that was powered by a steam engine.
I quit smoking many years ago after smoking for about 45 yrs. I am curious as to whether a person gets that same satisfying kick from inhaling vaping solutions as a person experiences with a cigarette.
I guess that the bottom line is that we should be putting nothing into our lungs except air inhaled from the atmosphere. We probably get more than enough pollutants with what we consider "fresh" air.
Post by Pizzaballa on Sept 10, 2019 8:05:36 GMT -5
I wonder about all that too and I am amazed at how fast so many Vapor businesses opened up as a result of this new method of smoking which is actually very old. We have a large place on Bleecker St near downtown. It used to be open 9AM to 10PM but I noticed the other day it opens at noon now. I never see the place busy and wonder how is remains open unless it is also being used for drugs.
People will still smoke the product regardless of how dangerous it is ignoring the problem like they do for tobacco products. To bad.
Vaping stores showed up all over the area in huge numbers. One in particular is next to a Great Clips hair place where I get my haircut. It looks like they have thousands of little bottles of every flavor and variety available. They seem to always have customers when I walk by. I have always thought that it couldn't be any safer to inhale all sorts of assorted oils and chemicals than it was to inhale smoke, tar and nicotine.
Post by basichumanunit on Sept 10, 2019 9:19:33 GMT -5
Some of these vaping devices allow the user to adjust the wattage of the battery. In other words the higher the wattage the more vapor inhaled & exhaled. I think that's where people are getting in trouble, they're inhaling too much of the stuff. I was a smoker myself for over 30 years but i quit 5 years ago using a vape pen. And it's not adjustable. I've never had any ill effects, but i do know that my lung capacity has definately improved as has my overall health. I buy the liquid produced locally at a locally owned shop so I know what I'm getting.
And I'm sure that some of these studies that are warning of the dangers of vaping are funded by tobacco companies who want people to smoke. The same tobacco companies who paid off washington politicians to pass a bill allowing them to hide from the public the crap that THEY'RE lacing their products with. And politicians like Cuomo want people to smoke for the tax revenue despite claiming otherwise.
Interesting to know that the adjustment determines the amount of vapor inhaled. It is not surprising that people who inhaled huge amounts of the stuff are literally saturating their lungs, where someone like you that inhales smaller volumes don't seen to have the problem. Ralph and his wife vape. I assume that they also buy their stuff from a reputable local outlet where they know what they are getting.
Do you use a vaping solution that has nicotine in it? I know one person that uses a solution with nicotine, and still gets the effects of the nicotine without the tar and crud going in his lungs. I imagine that there are solutions available on the street that add the THC also. That has to be some really pure and safe stuff to buy from your local street corner pot dealer. haha.
We're still vaping here with no ill effects Clipper. I had a chest x-ray in preparation for my surgery last month and there were no problems, shadows, etc., they wouldn't have put me under if there was. Betty went for a lung test a couple years ago for a drug trial with the same result. Matter of fact, her lung capacity was better than some folks that had never smoked.
That being said, we don't have ours cranked up to produce the amount of vapor that would be enough to cover a stage for a rock concert! We continue to buy ours locally from a reputable dealer, and are using the lowest nicotine level available which we cut in half with zero nicotine vape juice. Slowly weaning ourselves from it altogether. The stuff may be safer than cigarettes, but it still costs a couple bucks. Not as much, but we could do without the expenditure every week.
A lot of problems are emanating bad products; black market THC cartridges or oils, high levels of nicotine or nic salts, over blown levels adjusted for max effect, etc., etc. A lot of people will blow through 2 or 3 Juul pods in a day, and each one is the equivalent to about a pack of cigarettes. Overkill to say the least.
But instead of investigating it all first, they want to throw the whole lot in the trash. They have been a blessing to some who wanted/needed to quit, but a curse to those that abuse them.
It is amazing how lungs recover without cigarette smoke. I took a pulmonary test a short time ago to make sure that the amiodarone that I take for my heart wasn't damaging my lungs. I guess that is a possible side effect. The gal said I breathe deeper and exhale better than most people much younger than myself who didn't smoke. I quit in 06. Kathy quit a year or so later, but she is older and smoke more than I did. She DOES have some COPD as a result.
Post by basichumanunit on Sept 10, 2019 16:20:42 GMT -5
Yes, the solution I use does have nicotine in it, probably the equivelant of an ultra light cig. And no thc or exotic potions in the stuff I buy. Lol. I'm paying less then $60./month for the liquid, compare that to name brand cigs that are amost $12. a pack!
I heard today that Cuomo wants a bill passed outlawing all vaping products. That's nice. Send people back to cigarettes, idiot. He either wants to outlaw vaping outright or this is a shakedown. I would not be one bit surprised if the real game plan on Cuomo's part is to tax all vaping devices/products like they do with tobacco to rake in the tax dollars in the "interest of public health". But I don't hear Cuomo ranting over cigarettes which have killed more people then any product known to man. Millions & millions.
Cigarettes are $12 a pack? Wow. They are only about half that here. When I quit I was buying Dorals for $15 a carton at a discount place. I think Marlboros were around 20 at the time. Now I see signs for Marlboros for 50 and 60 bucks a carton and they advertise like it is a bargain. Damn sure glad I quit when I did.haha. NY taxes are ridiculous. We are paying $2.15 cents for gas in some places. God only knows what you all are paying in NY. the highest I have seen it here in the last few days has been $2.24 out near the interstate.
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Post by Pizzaballa on Sept 10, 2019 20:10:46 GMT -5
I stopped smoking in 2006 after many times trying. I smoked over 30 years and two to three pack a day smoker I was. I tried nicotine patches but that still puts nicotine in the blood stream which in turns gives the brain what it needs to be happy. So that didn't work. I then tried Chantix but wasn't very serious about it and continued to smoke while on the stuff. Then I had a routine x ray because of a physical that was do and they found some nodules on my lungs which they though were cancer. I was told to ditch the cigs immediately but didn't. I eventually had to have a biopsy of one of the nodules to find out what was going on.( that was not fun at all) I was lucky not cancer but the nodules turned out to be Sacrodosis a rare and incurable disease something liken to arthritis. I did stop smoking with the help of Chandix which I followed directions this time and am now smoke free. I do use two inhalers which cost major amount of money compared to a pack or carton of cigarettes. LOL. I breathe better and walk better and most of the nodules have disappeared to my Doctors surprise. I think I have just two left out of the 12.
I you smoke stop( if you can and want to) it is not worth the bargain or at least use a couple of nicotine patches so you get the nicotine and make the brain happy, happy but avoid the tar and other chemicals going into the lungs. Vaping is just another excuse besides getting the nicotine delivery and you get to see smoke which also works together on the brain to give satisfaction that the cigs gave. Don't fool yourself. My cousin Mark smoked Camels and Pall Malls from 17 years old to 34 years old. He worked construction and smoked while working which is the worst thing to do since the smoke is driven deeper in the lungs because of deeper breathing while working. He came down with lung cancer when he was 25 he didn't do anything about the pain he was having and just continued to work until people began seeing some dramatic weight loss. Went to the Doctor and an xray and Cat Scan revealed a tumor the size of an orange near the heart so surgery was not an option. Had to have some very serious chemo and xrays ( he was lucky he had a new cancer specialist in Orlando, Florida). Tumor shrunk to the size of a pea which was then treated with hormone therapy since no Doctor would risk surgery. He did well for several years even though he lost the use of his left arm as well as speech difficulties. Then a few years ago he started getting sever headaches and it was found out he had brain cancer. He died a few weeks ago. He was so depressed with life that in his will he just wanted to be cremated. No notifications about his death or funeral service of any kind. And so his will was done.