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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 19:53:48 GMT -5
MARCY MAN ARRESTED FOR DISRUPTING EASTER MASS AT OUR LADY OF LOURDES IN UTICA Utica, N.Y. - Utica Police say 30-year-old Jonathan Morse of Marcy was arrested during an Easter Mass Saturday night inside Our Lady of Lourdes Church in Utica and charged with Disrupting a Religious Service. Police say Morse attempted to gain access to the alter on two separate occasions. They after the second time Morse approached alter he was asked to leave by off duty police personnel from the Utica Police Department and New York State Police but instead created a disturbance by yelling and refusing to leave. Morse was ultimately taken into custody by on duty Utica Police Officers who responded to the disturbance. No injuries were reported during this incident. A similar incident happened at Our Lady of Lourdes back in January. www.wktv.com/content/news/Marcy-man-arrested-for-disrupting-Easter-Mass-at-Our-Lady-of-Lourdes-in-Utica-508870051.htmlSee once again this happens. Something must be done. To many nuts walking the streets. It is time for ushers to be trained in how to effectively use mace. |
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Post by kit on Apr 22, 2019 6:37:16 GMT -5
Just a guess, but maybe politicians closing down some of our mental facilities and putting the 'residents' out on the street has something to do with it.
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Post by Clipper on Apr 22, 2019 7:41:56 GMT -5
That is a distinct possibility Kit. Is there evidence that Morse was a mental patient, or just evidence indicating that maybe he SHOULD be?  I remember back in the 70's when they started dumping patients from Utica State into the community. Some were functional and able to care for themselves with limited supervision, but others were pitifully lost when they no longer had the security of their regimented care, and supervision of a full time staff to guide their everyday life. A large concentration of those patients ended up in the old hotel Utica, which at the time was a nursing home. They had shelter and meals, but during the day they were wandering the streets. I remember reading of the problems that McDonalds on Genesee Street had with them loitering and causing problems. They simply were not prepared or able to assimilate or care for themselves unsupervised. It is a sad state of affairs when Catholic churches around the world are subjected to terror attacks and other disturbing incidents such as this. It is very sad that a person cannot find peace and solitude in church and are left worrying what horrific thing may happen while they are gathered to worship. Church shootings in recent times have spawned a call for SOME churches to actually encourage selected individuals to carry a weapon for the security of the congregation. The world has become a sad place when people have to have security guards in churches or carry guns into a worship service out of fear for their safety. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:53:41 GMT -5
Just a guess, but maybe politicians closing down some of our mental facilities and putting the 'residents' out on the street has something to do with it. You would not believe what I see each day walking the streets of Utica and driving its Buses. Many crazy spooky people in Utica. Some even come in by Bernie Bus. I see them get off. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:55:46 GMT -5
Father Joe is to easy going I think. I think what should be done is that when the Mass starts the doors should be locked. Of course then there is the fire issue problem. But with an usher at each door do they could easily be opened I see no problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:56:38 GMT -5
I will not go to that Church cause with my luck some idiot will come in with a gun and shoot to kill.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Apr 22, 2019 11:44:25 GMT -5
I'm sure security will be a discussion at many churches. St. John's is normally locked during non-business, non church hours. We have trouble getting enough ushers as it is. I can't imagine any of them packing during the service.
We have had a similar discussion at our lodge during the past few months. Normally during our meetings, the door from the outside to the dining room is left unlocked for late comers. We have decided that we need to do something but can't decide if a bell or a camera.
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Post by Clipper on Apr 22, 2019 16:36:51 GMT -5
I would suggest one of the new doorbells with a camera.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 21:45:05 GMT -5
I noticed a while back that St John's has two camera's outside which is a good thing.
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Post by clarencebunsen on Apr 23, 2019 10:47:54 GMT -5
I would suggest one of the new doorbells with a camera. That was my thought but lately it seems like we can't do anything without a long debate about it. |
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Post by Clipper on Apr 23, 2019 12:58:54 GMT -5
Father Joe is to easy going I think. I think what should be done is that when the Mass starts the doors should be locked. Of course then there is the fire issue problem. But with an usher at each door do they could easily be opened I see no problem. I am pretty sure that it would be safe to lock the doors to outside entry. Fire laws require that doors on public buildings such as a church have "panic bars" which allow the doors to be opened from the inside in case of fire. It will be hard to prevent such an outburst though. The man may well have entered the church in advance of the mass, along with the other worshipers, and just bided his time until he flipped his wig or whatever triggered his bizarre behavior. |
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Post by Ralph on Apr 23, 2019 23:52:57 GMT -5
A truly sad state of affairs. I remember when I had my cabinet shop over on Hubbell Street I would stop and go in St. John's for a while. Sad that they had to start locking it up.
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Post by kit on Apr 24, 2019 8:54:15 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly, CB... especially about politics (which I know isn't the thrust of this post, but...) When I see any political discussion (pro or con to my view) on Facebook, in an email, and even here on Clipper's Busy Corner, I immediately pass it by and move on. At election time, our votes are made in secret and people should treat their political views the same way. Some of us just don't want to hear their political opinions.
I know there is a large group of folks who love to discuss and debate politics whenever possible and that's fine for them, but not for me. I'm not a politician and there's nothing I can do about a particular political situation anyway, so what's the use? Playing the ping-pong game of political discussion to me is senseless and does no apparent good. It seldom changes anyone's mind, especially the politician's. It's sort of like pushing on a rope... no matter how much energy you put into it, it just ain't going to go anywhere.
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